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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Still more credible than your comment. Assuming for the moment that someone is rich enough to afford the airfare, Why would anyone pay twice the fare to bypass treatment in Europe (say) for the hideously expensive and more distant treatment offered in the USA?
    Because Europe is closing it's borders and they can get better healthcare in The United States.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The latter. Most of these people are barely trained on these protocols and suits. They have little to no real life experience.

    She either made a mistake putting on the gear or taking it off.
    Greetings, Lursa.

    When dealing with anything new, all of us are prone to making a mistake now and then. Does anyone think she deliberately put her life at risk? Perhaps they will now beef up training? Better late than never.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because Europe is closing it's borders and they can get better healthcare in The United States.
    Only if they're very rich. Otherwise it's thirtyeight in the healthcare charts.
    Don't work out, work in.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Only if they're very rich. Otherwise it's thirtyeight in the healthcare charts.
    How many ebola patients have the Brits saved? Exactly, zero.

    Once again, The United States is going to save the world.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many ebola patients have the Brits saved? Exactly, zero.

    Once again, The United States is going to save the world.

    Your delusion of adequacy is boundless!
    Don't work out, work in.

    Never eat anything that's served in a bucket.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Given that they were told "Don't touch the locals", the government's indication that they "won't be in direct contact" with the sick is laughable.
    It pretty much requires intimate contact....health care workers, family members. Bodily fluids must enter another person's body.

    It's not impossible of course but it's not likely either. Most sick are not walking around, so that limits the chances even more to some that 'may' be incubating it, like the guy that got on the plane. (And no one on the plane is sick.)
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Right. LOL. Everything will be just fine, until it isn't.

    What vital national interest compels sending 4000 American troops to ebola country.

    Maybe you, Jetbbogie and enig can get together and describe the strategy for defeating ebola which includes sending our troops.

    Of course it's in our national interest. Our troops are there to protect our country. How well do you think our country could defend itself in a major epidemic from outside threats from Russia or China, for example? What would happen to our economy with even the *real* threat of an epidemic here? (btw, that is the greatest danger here IMO).

    We 'fought terrorism over there so we wouldnt have to fight it here' and that is exactly what our involvement is over there. Helping to contain it. Helping them to prevent as much additional spread of the disease because the more that get infected, the greater the chance that it will become more virulent or even airborne.

    They do this by helping to build and protect infrastructure. Transport and protect medical supplies. Providing security for our medical personnel and medical supplies (these supplies are regularly stolen and sold on the black market).

    And they can be quarantined before returning to the US on American transport planes.

    It's obvious you havent thought this through if you dont see how this serves vital American interests. Just a guess but I'd bet you havent thought about the economic issue at all.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Your delusion of adequacy is boundless!
    Don't worry. When things go to ****, we'll bail y'all out...again. We don't mind, because we know someone has to do it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It pretty much requires intimate contact....health care workers, family members. Bodily fluids must enter another person's body.

    It's not impossible of course but it's not likely either. Most sick are not walking around, so that limits the chances even more to some that 'may' be incubating it, like the guy that got on the plane. (And no one on the plane is sick.)
    They don't have to enter another persons body directly, or immediately. The fluids can be transmitted from an object(clothing, seat, your hand, etc) for up to 3 days.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    You keep ignoring the fact that Ebola is not contagious when the carrier is not showing symptoms.
    You keep ignoring the fact that that's false.

    A person has sufficient viral community in them to spill over into saliva and contaminate towels, doorknobs, sheets, clothing, etc. where it can remain for hours and can be picked up and transmitted to another person, or sufficient to directly contaminate someone with whom they have bodily contact, especially males with the disease in whom the virus survives well in semen, .. for close to around 24 hours prior to the person with the virus being cognizant that they're experiencing symptoms.

    You're simply mimicking the CDC line, and although that's sufficient for general communication to the public of demarcations necessary to present a concept to the lower common denominator public consistently, it simply isn't the truth.

    The truth here is as I stated it, and that's a truth relevant to many viruses as they grow in numbers in a body, such as the common cold and the flu.

    Indeed, the most dangerous time of contagion is right before one starts to "feel" sick, as it is during that final 24 hours of "incubation" when the viral community is beginning to spill over into saliva and other mucous when a person doesn't yet experience the symptoms that they will go about their business as usual, going to school, work, church, etc., completely oblivious to the fact that they've begun to leave a trail of virus on things they touch that can be picked up by others.

    It's not about the carrier "showing" symptoms, as that's a calibration from a hypothetical healthcare provider "observing" a person with the virus and declaring "you've got symptoms".

    Prior to such hypothetical observation, the person with the virus spilling out into saliva and other bodily fluids didn't feel sick so he didn't avail himself to this hypothetical healthcare provider for observation.

    If he doesn't feel sick, he's not presenting sufficient symptoms to even himself to "show" symptoms.

    So for that most dangerous 24 hours, those roughly 24 hours prior to sneezing, prior to stomach upset and diarrhea, prior to fever, prior to body aches, he's reached the "overflow" saturation point where he's spilling virus into his external environment.

    It's easy to buy the CDC's "don't panic" line, partially because it presents a scenario whereby we can "feel" like we know when we're safe, and partially because it just sounds good.

    But, it's false.

    And the degree to which it is false is measured in hours, hours that provide a very dangerous window of contamination that those professionals who must monitor people to prevent an epidemic are most assuredly cognizant of, and will thus respect if they're competent professionals and have not been corrupted by agency politicizing to justify policy.
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