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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    The CDC line is designed to make us think that the hospital worker who contracted the disease made a mistake in removing her protective clothing.

    As I presented in the post you quoted, that simply may not be how she contracted the disease!

    Whether or not she came in contact with Duncan on his first visit in no way rules out the distinct possibility that she became contaminated by means of happening to contract the disease from touching materials touched by Duncan (walls, chairs, doorknobs, pens, examination tables, etc.) that weren't properly disinfected according to Ebola-prevention standards.

    The CDC want's to blame what it can damage-control to prevent "panic".

    The very real possibility of contamination via other materials .. or that she's not the only one currently carrying the virus spread all over the hospital from Duncan's first visit .. is not something over which the CDC realizes it can exercise damage-control to prevent "panic".

    The CDC's line right now is all about damage-control, not about telling the truth.

    The very fact that those knowing they're dealing with an Ebola patient would exercise the most extreme caution in protecting themselves when removing their protective gear simply attests to the likelihood that she didn't contract the disease via a mistake in that procedure .. and that she contracted it coincidentally as I presented in the post you quoted.
    I understand your point, but there are probably thousands of people who might have contracted the disease from a random doorknob he touched on his first visit. It would be an incredible coincidence that the nurse who got sick, one of at least hundreds of people with possible incidental contact from the first visit, just happened to also be one of a tiny few who directly cared for him when they all knew he had ebola. Seems far more likely that she was exposed while treating him the second time. Occam's Razor and all that...

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola



    Dallas Police are guarding the apartment of the infected healthcare worker. The apartment has been decontaminated. The yellow barrel in the background is for disposal of hazardous materials.

    From what I can ascertain, a solution of 5.25% household bleach/powder will eradicate the Ebola virus on hard surfaces.


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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I understand your point, but there are probably thousands of people who might have contracted the disease from a random doorknob he touched on his first visit. It would be an incredible coincidence that the nurse who got sick, one of at least hundreds of people with possible incidental contact from the first visit, just happened to also be one of a tiny few who directly cared for him when they all knew he had ebola. Seems far more likely that she was exposed while treating him the second time. Occam's Razor and all that...
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    I completely disagree.

    There are not "thousands" of people who might have contracted the disease from "a random doorknob" he touched on his first visit -- that's pure hyperbole.

    The number of hospital workers and patients is a much smaller number, and thus your conclusion fails as your premise is false.

    The Ebola virus is a fragile virus and if exposed to enough UV light it will quickly dissipate, with only a three hour window for spread.

    Most of what Duncan touched, due to automatic doors, would be limited to the chair upon which he sat, the counter at reception upon which he leaned, the restroom doorknob if he visited the restroom, and then everything he touched once he was called back into the ER exam facility.

    Prior to being called into the exam area, the window of exposure, though definite, is limited to a very small number of people, and we don't really know where all he went prior to being called into the exam area.

    After being called into the exam area, Duncan would have touched quite a few things, almost exclusively limited on re-touch to hospital personnel, again a very small number of people compared to the "thousands" you erroneously state.

    Critical care personnel often work ER.

    The coincidental contact from this nurse, being within the incubation period from Duncan's first visit, is indeed probable, odds-wise.

    Because she knew that making a careless mistake removing her protective gear could expose her to Ebola, it's more unlikely that she erred in so doing.

    Right now, that hospital is much more in danger from this nurse who now has the disease, who's been moving about freely during the 24 hours prior to being aware of her symptoms, and that's why this facility at this point should be quarantined.
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    What is so concerning is that this healthcare worker was suited up and yet still contracted Ebola.

    I hope others posting on this thread won't make it political. Disease doesn't recognize political lean.
    However it reeks of politics. Why hasn't the One on the golf course stopped people from ebola country from coming to the US? Politics.

    If the One stopped people from ebola country from coming here he might not be able to subvert the Constitution completely when after the election he declares an amnesty for the 20-30 million illegals who are here.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    If we can prevent an Ebola epidemic, we'll handle them as we always have.

    If we're in the middle of an Ebola epidemic, everything changes .. and God only knows the answer to the question you pose.

    It would be horrific.
    : The presentation that I watched suggested that if this starts becoming an epidemic, the day might soon be coming where wearing throw-away latex gloves and painter's masks while shopping for groceries or anything else you might need would be advisable; also purchase lots of bleach. They also suggested that any anti-viral product on the market be purchased for your home medicine cabinet - like grapefruit seed extract, elderberry extract, colloidal silver, etc, which are known virus killers, both inside and outside the human body. You could wash fruits and veggies in a diluted solution, too, before you consumed them because you could not know who might have handled them before you bought them, especially if they were coughing or sneezing while working. No specific brands were mentioned, however. They did mention Ciprofloxicin, *sp?* but it's an antibiotic, and apparently can only be taken for three days at a time, and then stopped for a while, and it might not work on viruses. I also remember my chiropractor saying that he learned in college that eating raw garlic will kill anything bad in your body, so that might be a suggestion. You're going to smell to high heaven, but if it works, who cares! It's not like people are going to be out partying if we have an epidemic, anyway.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
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    I completely disagree.

    There are not "thousands" of people who might have contracted the disease from "a random doorknob" he touched on his first visit -- that's pure hyperbole.

    The number of hospital workers and patients is a much smaller number, and thus your conclusion fails as your premise is false.
    Obviously we're both guessing, but there are at least dozens of healthcare workers/fellow patients exposed as you suggest. So why is this nurse who 'happened' to treat him during his long stay when all knew he had ebola the only one who so far has contracted the disease? It's possible, obviously, that it was from his first visit, but still NOT the most likely route.

    Certainly, if he contaminated the hospital on his first visit, and the nurse contracted the disease from that, we'll see many more people uninvolved with his later direct care get sick in coming days.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Because we need to nip this thing in the bud at it's source and these troops are not involved with treatment but are building infrastructure.
    The One will commit troops where we have no national interest but will not commit troops when it is in our national interest.

    Think of it. The troops are coming from all over the US. When they return they will return to all over the US.
    Those poor guys. I would not serve under Eboma.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The One will commit troops where we have no national interest
    This is absolutely in the national interest, for all of us, not just the US.

    If you're too blind to see that, don't play the game.

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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Obviously we're both guessing, but there are at least dozens of healthcare workers/fellow patients exposed as you suggest. So why is this nurse who 'happened' to treat him during his long stay when all knew he had ebola the only one who so far has contracted the disease? It's possible, obviously, that it was from his first visit, but still NOT the most likely route.

    Certainly, if he contaminated the hospital on his first visit, and the nurse contracted the disease from that, we'll see many more people uninvolved with his later direct care get sick in coming days.
    It's not just that he left virus on objects, as two things must then happen: 1) someone else must pick sufficient quantity of the virus up on their hand and clothing, and then 2) they must touch that part of the thing that picked up the virus to their face where it can get into their eyes, nose, and mouth.

    My "guess", as you call it, lacks any hyperbole and is quite educated.

    Also, did you not read where they're saying another person is in isolation right now under observation, not just that one nurse?!

    When they indicate whether or not that person has Ebola, then I believe you'll see the coincidence about the nurse is quite likely, much more likely than that she treated her own life carelessly and didn't follow protocols for removing her protective gear as the CDC "don't panic" line guesses.

    Of course, there is a third possibility to consider: that the nurse followed the CDC protocols for removing her protective gear .. and those protocols are inadequate!
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    Re: Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This is absolutely in the national interest, for all of us, not just the US.

    If you're too blind to see that, don't play the game.
    Explain it. Why is this in our national interest? Be specific. or don't play the game.

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