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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post


    He's been droning the **** out of these people for six years; now he's "afraid to offend" them. You guys believe some really weird stuff, man.
    I suppose it is too much to ask the Islamofascist supporter on the golf course for a war winning, effective strategy.

    Killing a few people here and there is not an effective way to win. But it keeps the low information voters appeased.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm resigned to the US and its allies, like Canada, not fighting other country's battles if they're not willing to fight them as well themselves. Let's see Saudi Arabian boots on the ground. Let's see Iraqi boots on the ground, and not running shoes. Let's see Turkish boots on the ground, and not just on their side of the Turkish border watching a slaughter. These are the large countries in the direct vicinity that need to step up and put their own men and women in the line of fire before US and allied troops hit the ground. If these countries are okay with ISIS taking over, let them live with the fallout.

    ISIS will never come to North America as a force, only as lone bad actors and those lone bad actors will come here whether or not the US and their allies enter into a ground war against ISIS.
    The question isn't who should intervene-how often does that turn out well? The question is if its in our best interest to act or not. Giving islamic terrorists a sizable territory from which to metastasize to the rest of the world just isnt good enough.

    If you'd like to think an endless stream of "lone wolfs" will get caught and thats good enough fine-but I disagree. If you think it wont send a stunningly clear message-that the US has no conviction and will do nothing that required a commitment (to islamists to are very immersed in history) fine-but thats not good enough.

    You fight evil, or it gets worse.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Yes. And it doesn't mean just US boots on the ground. It is the only way. If there is another... let's hear it. History is clear. You need boots to clear out the menace street by street.

    The Europeans and Arabs have to put boots on the ground too... to squash this menace into a red pulp.

    Unfortunately we lack a leader and leadership.

    This is what happens when the real world faces evil and the Libs are in charge. You get deeper chaos.
    Its stunningly clear. Evil is emboldened by liberalism-because liberals dont understand how things work.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I beg to differ. I believe he needs to step down now.
    Only problem there is it puts Biden in charge, but then again maybe his lack of PC is appropriate.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Kobani, it appears-was a distraction as ISIS struck towards Baghdad.

    We aren't exactly bombing the hell out of them.
    I agree that we should focus on Iraq as well, but the circumstances seem to be different - the Iraqis and Peshmerga are doing a better job of holding off ISIS than any of the Syrian factions, and Kobani is facing a potential massacre. Also, if our airstrikes can help to prevent an ISIS takeover of Kobani, that will be a symbolic victory of coalition air power over ISIS' mad jihad.

    On a side note, although I am opposed to a US ground invasion of ISIS, I would support sending SF to fight with Peshmerga and the Iraqi Army.
    If you approach this mess with the assumption that Obama does not aim to win nor provide substantive actions everything will be illuminated.
    That is not the correct assumption. A ground invasion without local partnership won't work - otherwise, we would have been successful in our first occupation of Iraq - and is the last thing this country needs. Syria is perhaps the most complicated geopolitical issue that we've had to navigate our way through since 1979 Afghanistan, since there are no forces that we can say without a doubt won't damage our interests. Say what you want about Obama, he's dealing with a particularly nasty overseas crisis while presiding over a divided public that's apprehensive to war, no matter how justified it may be.
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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I agree that we should focus on Iraq as well, but the circumstances seem to be different - the Iraqis and Peshmerga are doing a better job of holding off ISIS than any of the Syrian factions, and Kobani is facing a potential massacre. Also, if our airstrikes can help to prevent an ISIS takeover of Kobani, that will be a symbolic victory of coalition air power over ISIS' mad jihad.

    On a side note, although I am opposed to a US ground invasion of ISIS, I would support sending SF to fight with Peshmerga and the Iraqi Army.


    That is not the correct assumption. A ground invasion without local partnership won't work - otherwise, we would have been successful in our first occupation of Iraq - and is the last thing this country needs. Syria is perhaps the most complicated geopolitical issue that we've had to navigate our way through since 1979 Afghanistan, since there are no forces that we can say without a doubt won't damage our interests. Say what you want about Obama, he's dealing with a particularly nasty overseas crisis while presiding over a divided public that's apprehensive to war, no matter how justified it may be.
    Our chump leader isn't leading, he's waiting for polls, to find how to minimize damage to his personal politics before an election. The longer we wait, and the more we delude ourselves with "symbolic" victory-the worse it will be.

    This wont be like the insurgency because they dont have the infrastructure or time in country. But-it WILL be worse the longer we avoid the fact that we need to go in. Even Obama's current and former military staff are saying this.

    Drop the politics-its time to go fight.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Only problem there is it puts Biden in charge, but then again maybe his lack of PC is appropriate.
    LOL. I will have to accept that Biden, while a fool, might blunder and do the right thing.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I suppose it is too much to ask the Islamofascist supporter on the golf course for a war winning, effective strategy.

    Killing a few people here and there is not an effective way to win. But it keeps the low information voters appeased.
    You lose any and all ability to be taken seriously when you post nonsense like this.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Yes. And it doesn't mean just US boots on the ground. It is the only way. If there is another... let's hear it. History is clear. You need boots to clear out the menace street by street.

    The Europeans and Arabs have to put boots on the ground too... to squash this menace into a red pulp.

    Unfortunately we lack a leader and leadership.

    This is what happens when the real world faces evil and the Libs are in charge. You get deeper chaos.
    The United States is the leader of the free world. We're expected to...lead. All those other countries are scared to do it without us. It's fantasy to expect our allies to go in without us.
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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You lose any and all ability to be taken seriously when you post nonsense like this.
    Empirically one could make this argument, Kobie. Islamofascism is flourishing under Obama.

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