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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Air, alone, has never defeated an enemy. Not Japan, Germany, not even the Iraqi Army during Desert Storm.

    The, "they're ready to die for their god", logic is flawed, because nobody ever won a war by dieing.
    Our wars in Kosovo and Libya were won through airstrikes

    Contrary to what the ODS people are saying, our airstrikes have been effective against ISIS - when they're happening. Gains made by the Kurds and FSA in Kobani have correlated with our airstrikes against the terrorists. That's why the strikes need to be around-the-clock, not just a few every day or two.
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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    First off, can we please not pretend like Assad isn't in part responsible for what's going down with the brutal way he reacted to protests? I mean, I agree that these people are barbarians and we don't need to be giving them political power, but that's not like I'm going to pretend that Assad or his Family hasn't committed some nasty atrocities.

    Also do you have a link about the attacks being carried out by rebels?
    Greetings, Hamster Buddha

    I agree there's a lot of blame to go around, including our own government's handling of things at times, but Assad has shown his willingness to cooperate with us. "Better the devil you know" is sometimes appropriate.

    I will have to find the link - it was sometime last week, I believe - but it's going to take some time to do so. I will post it when I locate it. It had to do with the distance the missile had to travel to deliver the sarin, and according to the investigators it came from the area the rebels held. Perhaps someone on here has that link available?

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

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    Our wars in Kosovo and Libya were won through airstrikes

    Contrary to what the ODS people are saying, our airstrikes have been effective against ISIS - when they're happening. Gains made by the Kurds and FSA in Kobani have correlated with our airstrikes against the terrorists. That's why the strikes need to be around-the-clock, not just a few every day or two.
    Not with airstrikes alone. In both cases, ground forces were involved.
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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not with airstrikes alone. In both cases, ground forces were involved.
    Of course airstrikes alone won't work, and no one is saying that they would. Obama's plan calls for the use of Syrian rebels as our ground proxies in Syria.
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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Of course airstrikes alone won't work, and no one is saying that they would. Obama's plan calls for the use of Syrian rebels as our ground proxies in Syria.
    That won't work, either. One, because Obama isn't ready to commit the support they'll need and two, because there is no Syrian force that can take on ISIS.
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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I read your prior comments but lets cut to the chase. In the end-if nobody else will act, it will fall on the US yet again-or nothing will get done and a terror state will be established in the heard of the ME.

    You appear resigned to that-but thats not good enough for me. If Americans supported strikes based on what ISIS has done to this point, they will support it when they see how much worse things become as ISIS expands. It would also completely undermine the war on terror-sending the message that the US wont act, wont honor its obligations, and will run after a few beheadings. Thats not good enough.

    This is the song that never ends-fight evil or let it consume everyone.
    I'm resigned to the US and its allies, like Canada, not fighting other country's battles if they're not willing to fight them as well themselves. Let's see Saudi Arabian boots on the ground. Let's see Iraqi boots on the ground, and not running shoes. Let's see Turkish boots on the ground, and not just on their side of the Turkish border watching a slaughter. These are the large countries in the direct vicinity that need to step up and put their own men and women in the line of fire before US and allied troops hit the ground. If these countries are okay with ISIS taking over, let them live with the fallout.

    ISIS will never come to North America as a force, only as lone bad actors and those lone bad actors will come here whether or not the US and their allies enter into a ground war against ISIS.
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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So yes. It means sending troops to actively fight ISIS? Is this correct?
    Yes. And it doesn't mean just US boots on the ground. It is the only way. If there is another... let's hear it. History is clear. You need boots to clear out the menace street by street.

    The Europeans and Arabs have to put boots on the ground too... to squash this menace into a red pulp.

    Unfortunately we lack a leader and leadership.

    This is what happens when the real world faces evil and the Libs are in charge. You get deeper chaos.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Our wars in Kosovo and Libya were won through airstrikes

    Contrary to what the ODS people are saying, our airstrikes have been effective against ISIS - when they're happening. Gains made by the Kurds and FSA in Kobani have correlated with our airstrikes against the terrorists. That's why the strikes need to be around-the-clock, not just a few every day or two.
    Kobani, it appears-was a distraction as ISIS struck towards Baghdad.

    We aren't exactly bombing the hell out of them.

    If you approach this mess with the assumption that Obama does not aim to win nor provide substantive actions everything will be illuminated.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That won't work, either. One, because Obama isn't ready to commit the support they'll need and two, because there is no Syrian force that can take on ISIS.
    Absolutely, its been 3 years since hostilities in Syria began, and the only change is ISIS is getting stronger.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So Obama's pathetic response isn't working, ISIS is expanding, some believe that the siege on Kobani was a distraction for ISIS to attack cities just west of Baghdad.

    This problem isn't going to go away by looking the other way, or a few airstrikes for votes in an upcoming election.
    Obama needs to step up now.
    I beg to differ. I believe he needs to step down now.

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