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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    We cannot afford the cost to refight the Iraq War.

    President Obama and the Dems have already slashed the Military Budget, to only turn around and spend the money on social program largess and Racial Pandering.

    We cannot afford to continue the AirWar against ISIS, much less field a much more expensive ground war.

    If we need to go onto a ground level military confrontation against ISIS, it must be done by greatly increasing the Military Budgets beyond the spending levels of the Dubya Iraq War, because ISIS is a much tougher opponent than Saddam Husein's forces ever were.

    We are already spending at huge deficit levels, on Obama Social and Racial Largess, despite the cuts in the military budget. The deficit and huge nation debt increases have force the U.S.A to do round after round of Quantitative Easing, devaluing our currency at alarming rates.

    If we fund the ISIS conflict at a level which would actually lead to victory, it would much, more more red ink and printing of dollars, devaluing the currency even further...


    OR....


    OR!... we could drastically cut off all of the new social program and racial pandering spending, to make room in a deficit, but at least not currency suicidal national budget.

    So, What Programs to we cut first!

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The solution is to stop fiddle ****ing around and inflict massive casualties upon the enemy. I know it sounds crazy, but bombing empty buildings, in the middle of the night, isn't going to accomplish anything.
    Greetings, apdst.

    : It seems strange that inspectors can know where every damn cow is in this country so they can fine every farmer who wants to sell raw milk to his customers that want to buy it for making cheese, but we don't know where ISIS is at any given time? Kind of difficult to believe they might be smarter than we are! :

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    We cannot afford the cost to refight the Iraq War.

    President Obama and the Dems have already slashed the Military Budget, to only turn around and spend the money on social program largess and Racial Pandering.

    We cannot afford to continue the AirWar against ISIS, much less field a much more expensive ground war.

    If we need to go onto a ground level military confrontation against ISIS, it must be done by greatly increasing the Military Budgets beyond the spending levels of the Dubya Iraq War, because ISIS is a much tougher opponent than Saddam Husein's forces ever were.

    We are already spending at huge deficit levels, on Obama Social and Racial Largess, despite the cuts in the military budget. The deficit and huge nation debt increases have force the U.S.A to do round after round of Quantitative Easing, devaluing our currency at alarming rates.

    If we fund the ISIS conflict at a level which would actually lead to victory, it would much, more more red ink and printing of dollars, devaluing the currency even further...


    OR....


    OR!... we could drastically cut off all of the new social program and racial pandering spending, to make room in a deficit, but at least not currency suicidal national budget.

    So, What Programs to we cut first!

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    Your post... just so much wrong... just... just


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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, TDS.

    Totally agree! Assad is a college-educated man who wants to bring his country into the 21st century, fighting those savages who want to go back to the dark ages. He may be a bastard, but his people like him, and he is supporting and aiding the Kurds - the same brave Kurds who successfully rescued those villagers, including women and children, BTW, that were stranded on the mountain without food and water while ISIS waited to kill them! Also, it has been proven by inspectors from the UN that Assad was not behind the Sarin gas attacks on the Syrian people, but rather it was the rebels that want to topple his government - rebels we are apparently supporting! What's going on here? :
    First off, can we please not pretend like Assad isn't in part responsible for what's going down with the brutal way he reacted to protests? I mean, I agree that these people are barbarians and we don't need to be giving them political power, but that's not like I'm going to pretend that Assad or his Family hasn't committed some nasty atrocities.

    Also do you have a link about the attacks being carried out by rebels?

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No we arent. We dont recognize the Syrian government, we are not arming the Kurds, and we continue to back the "moderates FSA"....
    How exactly will "recognizing" the Syrians help? And the kurds are getting plenty of weapons.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I'm not saying the SAA can do it alone, but I think if we ran a campaign with Allied Air Power backing up the SAA. with Special Forces embedded to call in close air support to keep the front lines moving, just like we did in Afghanistan with the Northern Alliance. Combine this with a Joint Operations Command based out of Doha, we could create a makeshift alliance between Iraq, Syria, US and other allied powers to form a joint strategy with a coordinated invasion. If this was done, we could have ISIS mopped up within a matter of weeks. There's no power on this planet that can stand up to a war on two fronts, (three if we got the Turks involved, but they want Assad out even more than the US does...)

    Its going to be a huge adjustment "working" with the Syrians-Obama demonized Assad (who is actually who I prefer in power in Syria-he's been a moderating influence) and wont lose face further by taking substantive action-and all of this would depend on Assads agreement-what does he get and are the strings attached to our presence acceptable to him? There has also never been a US presence in Syria (even historically, we have had very little contact) and cooperation would be difficult-but fine by all means I'd be open to trying it.

    Beyond that-this would be more than Obama is even willing to do in Iraq-he'd need boots on the ground and wont do that until political winds demand so (leading from behind yet again). Now, arab armies are notorious for being poor fighters-even from the Kurds its relative-so what happens when and if they fail?

    Obama will drag this out forever, because he has no desire to fight let alone win. Recent airstrikes have only been symbolic-if they hadn't been would we really need to have this discussion now?

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The solution is to stop fiddle ****ing around and inflict massive casualties upon the enemy. I know it sounds crazy, but bombing empty buildings, in the middle of the night, isn't going to accomplish anything.
    When you fight, you fight to win-not to mitigate political damage during an upcoming election. This fight is coming to Obama even if he wants to bury his head in the sand.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I've said this elsewhere, but it's worth repeating, only one time in the history of Strategic Bombing, has a nation ever capitulated from being bombed.... and I don't think we're at the point we need to start nuking hut villages...
    The US bombing campaigns, when relieved from the constraints of a tight ROE did very well in vietnam. But Im not saying carpet bombing will be effective here-this is a low intensity asymmetrical conflict, and ISIS will just put on civilian clothing and slip across the nearest border if they need to.

    Its become a lightning rod to terrorists, much like Iraq post invasion-we should kill them there, and that will require boots on the ground. Once they are out we should transition control responsibly (not like our weak president) and then maintain a limited presence there.

    Losing the peace because of a desire to meet a deadline for votes instead of accomplishing the mission is what got us here.

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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I've said this elsewhere, but it's worth repeating, only one time in the history of Strategic Bombing, has a nation ever capitulated from being bombed.... and I don't think we're at the point we need to start nuking hut villages...
    You didn't even read my post, did you?
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    Re: War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurmugeon View Post
    We cannot afford the cost to refight the Iraq War.

    President Obama and the Dems have already slashed the Military Budget, to only turn around and spend the money on social program largess and Racial Pandering.

    We cannot afford to continue the AirWar against ISIS, much less field a much more expensive ground war.

    If we need to go onto a ground level military confrontation against ISIS, it must be done by greatly increasing the Military Budgets beyond the spending levels of the Dubya Iraq War, because ISIS is a much tougher opponent than Saddam Husein's forces ever were.

    We are already spending at huge deficit levels, on Obama Social and Racial Largess, despite the cuts in the military budget. The deficit and huge nation debt increases have force the U.S.A to do round after round of Quantitative Easing, devaluing our currency at alarming rates.

    If we fund the ISIS conflict at a level which would actually lead to victory, it would much, more more red ink and printing of dollars, devaluing the currency even further...


    OR....


    OR!... we could drastically cut off all of the new social program and racial pandering spending, to make room in a deficit, but at least not currency suicidal national budget.

    So, What Programs to we cut first!

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    Its going to get much more expensive when we have an actual terrorist state well established and better armed than they are now. And in the mean time many will die and a very bad message will be sent to our enemies-wait us out and the coast is clear.

    As for budgetary concerns-they are significant-but Obama's myopia for his personal political benefit is the problem. The war on terror isn't over, it never was, and we aren't going to stop fighting it because a weak president decides he's left a "stable" Iraq behind. This is a long term war-and its not going away.

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