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War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on

I used to be. My role was one level lower. I was a Plans kind of guy.

Of course.
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But again-what happens when ISIS takes over? What if Saudi Arabia and Iran wont or cant fight them? What happens if they get into a proxy war there? What happens when ISIS uses its territory to attack US interests and our allies in the region?

The truth is that ISIS is evil, something we haven't seen to this degree for some time. The US made the mess in Iraq, we should clean it up. How do you expect to win the war on terror when you scede territory to the enemy based on a politicians deadline?

War on Terror? What's that? A bad joke? Who are we at war with? If ISIS fine. If Syria fine. We have to be at war with a somebody not something. Whoever we are at war with then we need to deal with them in a quick and brutally efficient manner. That means we drop all pretense of civility it is a luxury we can no longer afford. Otherwise we end up doing Iraq 3.0 and Afghanistan 2.0. We don't need to be doing that. We cant afford to do it yet again.

Its not our mess to clean up it theirs, Iran and Saudi Arabia. They are the ones who have already had a proxy war going they have been funding and equipping these groups far more so than us. Let them deal with the consequence. Their energy is not near as useful anymore and to be frank it is in our interests to let them ride the storm and take some hits on their infrastructure. We would make money off the increase in fuel prices, we are now number one in the world in production. If they get into a proxy war so be it its none of our concern unless ISIS or their ilk come here. If they do that we then we annihilate them, literally kill every man woman and child, and every other living thing within their territory and then leave a barren wasteland and call it peace. Like I said it is in our interests to be more mercantile about this and leave the morality at our shores. They seem intent on butchering each other. That's good for US. We can take advantage of that to our own ends and profit handsomely and improve our stature. Getting involved militarily in other than an extremely limited way is detrimental to us. They meaning the combatants need what we can provide materially, lets provide them that preferably at a profit.
 
Just curious-do you think the US has an ISIS problem?

Yes and no. They are a problem. A minor one. They can be dealt with very easily ourselves if we so desired. However they are not enough of a threat to warrant action especially since they are busy with other things, like Syria and the Kurds and Iraq. My view is simple sell their enemies lots of firepower and ammunition and let them take a stab at taking the vermin out. If they cant at that point we can clean house if they present a greater threat. As of now they are a minimal threat at best if the Kurds and Iraq can keep them occupied. I wouldn't do anything except sell weapons and ammunition and intelligence services, until or if Saudi Arabia and Iran failed to handle them. At which point we would see the writing on the wall, and go bug hunting if we were smart.
 
War on Terror? What's that? A bad joke? Who are we at war with? If ISIS fine. If Syria fine. We have to be at war with a somebody not something. Whoever we are at war with then we need to deal with them in a quick and brutally efficient manner. That means we drop all pretense of civility it is a luxury we can no longer afford. Otherwise we end up doing Iraq 3.0 and Afghanistan 2.0. We don't need to be doing that. We cant afford to do it yet again.

Its not our mess to clean up it theirs, Iran and Saudi Arabia. They are the ones who have already had a proxy war going they have been funding and equipping these groups far more so than us. Let them deal with the consequence. Their energy is not near as useful anymore and to be frank it is in our interests to let them ride the storm and take some hits on their infrastructure. We would make money off the increase in fuel prices, we are now number one in the world in production. If they get into a proxy war so be it its none of our concern unless ISIS or their ilk come here. If they do that we then we annihilate them, literally kill every man woman and child, and every other living thing within their territory and then leave a barren wasteland and call it peace. Like I said it is in our interests to be more mercantile about this and leave the morality at our shores. They seem intent on butchering each other. That's good for US. We can take advantage of that to our own ends and profit handsomely and improve our stature. Getting involved militarily in other than an extremely limited way is detrimental to us. They meaning the combatants need what we can provide materially, lets provide them that preferably at a profit.

How do we deal with ISIS? They are there because we aren't-we let them fill the vacuum.
As for oil, while its true we are the number one producer, oil prices are set on a world market, and so what happens there impacts us here.
 
Yes and no. They are a problem. A minor one. They can be dealt with very easily ourselves if we so desired. However they are not enough of a threat to warrant action especially since they are busy with other things, like Syria and the Kurds and Iraq. My view is simple sell their enemies lots of firepower and ammunition and let them take a stab at taking the vermin out. If they cant at that point we can clean house if they present a greater threat. As of now they are a minimal threat at best if the Kurds and Iraq can keep them occupied. I wouldn't do anything except sell weapons and ammunition and intelligence services, until or if Saudi Arabia and Iran failed to handle them. At which point we would see the writing on the wall, and go bug hunting if we were smart.

Ok. Just wanted to be clear-you are saying you realize they may become a bigger threat but want to wait.
 
Perhaps but its better than being appeasers or supplicants to ISIS these days. Not saying you are.

Hey my personal opinion on ISIS is they are bugs that need to be exterminated completely. I just don't think we should do it at this point in time. Its time for others to put their big boy britches on and do for themselves a bit. If in the end we need to do it then we should be pitiless merciless bastards and exterminate the whole lot of ISIS men woman and children and leave nothing but bones and a lifeless desert and call it peace. Kill several birds with one stone. Get rid of an enemy in a particularly efficient and merciless manner. And put the world on notice that yes the United States can be bastards and ****ing with us is a good way to get dead. Thirdly the world will have seen we tried staying out as long as we could until we were drawn in by the stupidity of a particularly heinous actor whom we dispatched with extreme and very efficient prejudice. Hopefully afterwards the world settles down for a bit. That's the theory anywho.
 
How do we deal with ISIS? They are there because we aren't-we let them fill the vacuum.
As for oil, while its true we are the number one producer, oil prices are set on a world market, and so what happens there impacts us here.

Right now prices go up we profit. Big time. Prices go down energy costs for us go down still a win for some of us.

I told you how we deal with ISIS. We let the Kurds the Syrians and Iraq and anybody else stupid enough to get involved handle it. We just supply preferable for a profit all the firepower and ammo and intelligence they want and need and let them take the hits. They can deal with ISIS. We can profit and get friendlier relations with everyone in the neighborhood to boot. These guys don't want us there. And there no need for us to be there. If they need hired guns we have plenty of PMC's who can do that just fine and bring home some bacon for us and keep us on friendly terms with the natives.
 
Hey my personal opinion on ISIS is they are bugs that need to be exterminated completely. I just don't think we should do it at this point in time. Its time for others to put their big boy britches on and do for themselves a bit. If in the end we need to do it then we should be pitiless merciless bastards and exterminate the whole lot of ISIS men woman and children and leave nothing but bones and a lifeless desert and call it peace. Kill several birds with one stone. Get rid of an enemy in a particularly efficient and merciless manner. And put the world on notice that yes the United States can be bastards and ****ing with us is a good way to get dead. Thirdly the world will have seen we tried staying out as long as we could until we were drawn in by the stupidity of a particularly heinous actor whom we dispatched with extreme and very efficient prejudice. Hopefully afterwards the world settles down for a bit. That's the theory anywho.

I appreciete the sentiment but I dont think Ameriacans have the stomach for that. It would need to get REAL bad before we did.
 
Ok. Just wanted to be clear-you are saying you realize they may become a bigger threat but want to wait.

Yes. My reasoning is while they MAY become a larger threat if we are smart and support their enemies well their likelihood of growing into a threat we will have to deal with fairly low. Right now if we go in there we are playing wack a mole yet again. That likelihood is at current 100% because that is exactly what we are doing with this situation. Let the natives clean house permanently they know who needs killing far better than we do. We would be taking action to effect the outcome to our favor, just indirectly. The indirect approach in this case offers more and surer benefits.
 
The term moderate Syrian rebels are just propaganda created by neocons and warmongering progressives to give an excuse for the US to intervene and its once again turning into a disaster. Better to walk away from all of this- our citizens and soldiers will be safer because I dont even know why we are there.
 
World View: American-led air attacks are failing. Jihadis are close to taking Kobani, in Syria – and in Iraq western Baghdad is now under serious threat

Like everything else Obama does.
 
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