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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

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    Yes. It sounds exactly what right wingers do on this issue. No one is saying he can't have his beliefs. But if he is going to present his beliefs as facts... he's going to get destroyed because they aren't. And if he is going to try to make his beliefs the law of the land... he's going to get destroyed because his beliefs are no longer held by the majority of folks. He can hold onto his beliefs... as can you. Just don't make the fallacious claim that they are fact and don't try to tell anyone else they have to believe them or they are "bad", "evil", or "sinful" either.
    Yeah, try any of that and you will be shouted down by the mob.

    The plain and simple truth of the matter is that you are NOT the majority, not in South Carolina, which is what this thread is about. The people's legislature enacted the law that says marriage is between a man and a woman, and it was signed by the governor. The state is well within it's rights according to the Constitution, and it is you who are in the minority, even if you do live in South Carolina, which I doubt. The power to interfere in the state's business has not been given to the federal government, Constitutionally speaking. But that's what left wingers do on this issue...mind other people's business.

    There are a few FACTS for you.
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    Yeah, try any of that and you will be shouted down by the mob.
    Depends on how it's being presented. Presentation is EVERYTHING.

    The plain and simple truth of the matter is that you are NOT the majority, not in South Carolina, which is what this thread is about. The people's legislature enacted the law that says marriage is between a man and a woman, and it was signed by the governor. The state is well within it's rights according to the Constitution, and it is you who are in the minority, even if you do live in South Carolina, which I doubt. The power to interfere in the state's business has not been given to the federal government, Constitutionally speaking. But that's what left wingers do on this issue...mind other people's business.

    There are a few FACTS for you.
    All of that is irrelevant if SC enacts a law that the judiciary sees as unconstitutional. The District Appellate Court has ruled on this matter. SCOTUS not hearing cases means that they are abdicating to the Appellate courts. SC's law is unconstitutional and will be struck down.
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    All of that is irrelevant if SC enacts a law that the judiciary sees as unconstitutional. The District Appellate Court has ruled on this matter. SCOTUS not hearing cases means that they are abdicating to the Appellate courts. SC's law is unconstitutional and will be struck down.
    That is not how we do things in America. If the Feds have the votes, let them pass a law and let the president sign it. The opinion of an unelected judge as law is not democracy, it is oligharchy, and THAT is what is not Constitutional.

    I say put it to a nationwide vote and we will see just who is in the majority.
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    That is not how we do things in America. If the Feds have the votes, let them pass a law and let the president sign it. The opinion of an unelected judge as law is not democracy, it is oligharchy, and THAT is what is not Constitutional.
    No, that IS how we do things in America. It prevents the majority from oppressing the minority, a KEY component of the Constitution.
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    No, that IS how we do things in America. It prevents the majority from oppressing the minority, a KEY component of the Constitution.
    The minority does not have veto power over the will of the people, that is not Constitutional.

    Make a law and pass it, if you think you are so much in the right.

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    The minority does not have veto power over the will of the people, that is not Constitutional.

    Make a law and pass it, if you think you are so much in the right.
    Of course the minority has veto power... if the majority is presenting something unconstitutional. If you think you are so much in the right, pass a law that IS Constitutional.
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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Of course the minority has veto power... if the majority is presenting something unconstitutional. If you think you are so much in the right, pass a law that IS Constitutional.
    How about if I pass a law that says an unelected judge cannot enact "law"?

    That would be constitutional.

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    How about if I pass a law that says an unelected judge cannot enact "law"?
    No judge is "enacting" law. They are striking down unconstitutional law. If you tried to pass the kind of law that you suggest, it wouldn't work as it is itself unconstitutional.
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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No judge is "enacting" law. They are striking down unconstitutional law. If you tried to pass the kind of law that you suggest, it wouldn't work as it is itself unconstitutional.
    I know, everything that doesn't go your way is "unconstitutional". How can you argue with "logic" like that?

    The solution is simple: pass a law. I am sure that any law that does not go your way will be "unconstitutional", though.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

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    No, this IS the same thing as racism. If a kid at school starts calling a black kid some racist name, he'll probably get picked on. Same thing happens if someone picks on someone for being gay. No problem with either.
    What makes his view abhorrent is that if the teachers/other kids *don't* discourage that kind of behavior, it's guaranteed to make for a terrible environment for the kid being targeted. His only recourse then is violence. As you know, that kind of ostracism is linked to dropping out and suicide. Oh, but WCH couldn't care less about that. He probably thinks all bullying is wrong and shouldn't be allowed, except for gay kids.

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