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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Are fighting to your last breath to prevent adulterers from remarrying? Fornicators from marrying? Are you fighting to end divorce in the US? All those things desecrate marriage. No? Why not?
    Gay adulterers and fornicators and SSM for sure. Thanks for describing the problems.
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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It's not a bad word...it'simply a difference of opinion.
    Of course I'm sure that you would want to believe that.
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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You misconstrue. I am largely indifferent to SSM; I know it is probably inevitable; I have no interest in "stalling for spite".



    The problem I have is letting an appellate court set aside a provision in my home State's Constitution, in such an indirect fashion, without clear word from SCOTUS. If a Fed appellate court can set aside any provision of any State's Constitution at will, then the States may as well close their governments down and quit pretending there is any government other than the Fed.


    South Carolina needs to say "**** you, until we hear from SCOTUS our state Constitution stands as we wrote it". Feds don't like it, well the SCOTUS can nut up and render a decision. They owe us that much before setting aside something enumerated in our state Constitution.
    I didn't miscontrue. I'm merely stating the facts, and the facts that I'm stating are the correct ones (you can look them up if you want).
    I understand what you are saying about South Carolina but it is wishful thinking. Whether you like it or not, state constitutions can not over-rule federal constitution. A federal judge's constitutional ruling can only be appealed within the federal system and when it goes to a circuit court but the SCOTUS doesn't accept an appeal, the circuit court's decision stands and it over-rules anything the state level can do.
    You don't like it? Get enough votes and change the federal constitution and the legal provisions of the unions of the states under a federation, or move to another country that does it to your liking. But until it happens, sorry, but this is how the law operates. Our states are *not* autonomous. They don't *get* to say "f.... you" and to do as they please. It's illegal and unconstitutional to do so.

    It's funny how conservatives pretend to defend the US Constitution but anytime some ruling goes against their views, they immediately call for ignoring/disobeying the rule. You call yourself independent so what I'm saying maybe doesn't apply to you, but it's common to see this attitude among conservatives.

    Another example - you say the SCOTUS owes your state something, etc. Well, even when the SCOTUS rules, some people still won't accept it, so I'm sure it would have been the same if they had taken up SSM. in the case of the Affordable Care Act the SCOTUS did take the matter up but ruled against the conservatives' views and considered the law constitutional. Conservatives everywhere continue to cry out loud calling it unconstitutional. Sorry, but the SCOTUS is the guardian of the constitution and if it says something is constitutional, then it is, until maybe a future ruling changes it. There is nobody higher than the SCOTUS to appeal to, so, there is no way to still challenge a decision, once it is delivered.

    Also, what needs to be understood is that what the SCOTUS did *is* a ruling of sorts. They signaled that they wouldn't take up an appeal, which is a way to say that they agree with the interpretation of the circuit courts (that is, that banning SSM is unconstitutional) therefore see no reason to take up the appeal.

    I think they will only take it up if the 6th circuit rules against SSM. So far all circuit courts have rule homogeneously so the SCOTUS saw no reason to interfere. If there is discrepancy between the circuit courts then they might step in.

    But opponents of SSM shouldn't get any relief from this. Obviously, given the SCOTUS majoritary decision to not take up the appeals, it is clear that the majority of the SCOTUS does believe that SSM bans are unconstitutional, so, if they ever take up the matter, that's how they will rule, and then it will affect all 50 states. So, conservatives should fear this. It would put an end to any attempts to stop SSM, *nationwide*, all 50 states.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright;1063853813[B
    ]I don't think you have a firm grasp of the term 'enemy'.[/B] I was a grunt and I'd never live in enemy territory- hunt there but not grow old there. I live in Oklahoma, not a real liberal state to say the least and I don't consider my neighbors 'the enemy'. They are just under a shallow spell cast by shammers poising as religious leaders...
    Its just and expression we use here my left wing friend..............Lighten up.
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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Are fighting to your last breath to prevent adulterers from remarrying? Fornicators from marrying? Are you fighting to end divorce in the US? All those things desecrate marriage. No? Why not?
    Divorce should absolutely be illegal.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Divorce should absolutely be illegal.
    Hell man, even Muslims make allowances for divorce in certain circumstances, and they are about 1400 years behind the other religions of the world. I'm glad I don't live in Paleoconia.
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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Hell man, even Muslims make allowances for divorce in certain circumstances, and they are about 1400 years behind the other religions of the world. I'm glad I don't live in Paleoconia.
    The Islamic practice has always been contrary to the Christian practice. The Christian practice better secures the rights of women.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Divorce should absolutely be illegal.
    Holy crap.

    Oh yeah, you yearn for the good old days, when a man was in charge of his home and he could beat wifey to a bloody pulp or emotionally abuse her.....and when she dared to go for divorce, she was referred to the slutty divorcee.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Holy crap.

    Oh yeah, you yearn for the good old days, when a man was in charge of his home and he could beat wifey to a bloody pulp or emotionally abuse her.....and when she dared to go for divorce, she was referred to the slutty divorcee.
    A woman (or man) who is the victim of abuse could pursue legal separation.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Holy crap.

    Oh yeah, you yearn for the good old days, when a man was in charge of his home and he could beat wifey to a bloody pulp or emotionally abuse her.....and when she dared to go for divorce, she was referred to the slutty divorcee.
    There have been many instances where a woman beat a man to a pulp........They are just not documented.
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