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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

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    Whoops! Looks like I could stand to take my own advice: the number of 55% is a bit old and that number is actually 56%.



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    States rights. What San Francisco residents think doesn't hold water in Alabama. I've got no problem with states redefining marriage to include homosexuals if that supports the values of the people in that state. Not all states are full of people that think this sort of social experiment is a good idea.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Since marriage is an institution created by man and defined by man, what men think matters in ways that it wouldn't over simple assertions of fact. What most people consider marriage to be is what marriage actually is or at least should be since this is a democracy and marriage is a matter of democratic law. If the majority think homosexual marriage is something the state should sanction, the legislature should take that into consideration in their law governing marriage and it's definition. And vice versa.
    Would you like to try that again in English? I mean, I get that you're trying to come up with a new argument (I think -- I don't actually know what you said up there, so I could be wrong), and that's technically what I asked for, but it still needs to be presented with English grammar and syntax so that the recipient of your message can understand it.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    States rights. What San Francisco residents think doesn't hold water in Alabama. I've got no problem with states redefining marriage to include homosexuals if that supports the values of the people in that state. Not all states are full of people that think this sort of social experiment is a good idea.
    The state right argument fails in court repeatedly. It hasn't worked before and it won't work now.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Would you like to try that again in English? I mean, I get that you're trying to come up with a new argument (I think -- I don't actually know what you said up there, so I could be wrong), and that's technically what I asked for, but it still needs to be presented with English grammar and syntax so that the recipient of your message can understand it.
    He means that if the state wants to re-define marriage the people should have some say in it, so make a law and pass it, but you know that the oligharchy won't stand for the people's voice being heard.

    But it will be, whether they want it or not.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by it's just me View Post
    He means that if the state wants to re-define marriage the people should have some say in it, so make a law and pass it, but you know that the oligharchy won't stand for the people's voice being heard.

    But it will be, whether they want it or not.
    Ah, thanks for that. As I said, the state right argument fails repeatedly.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

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    The state right argument fails in court repeatedly. It hasn't worked before and it won't work now.
    And that's the problem. It absolutely SHOULD be the state's right and the supreme court has NOT decreed that the state cannot manage it's own marriage laws. Not yet, anyway. We'll see if that ever happens.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    And that's the problem. It absolutely SHOULD be the state's right and the supreme court has NOT decreed that the state cannot manage it's own marriage laws. Not yet, anyway. We'll see if that ever happens.
    If you want I can probably dig it up, but a SC justice said that as the lower courts were doing a fine and dandy job in their rulings, there was no need for them to step in.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If you want I can probably dig it up, but a SC justice said that as the lower courts were doing a fine and dandy job in their rulings, there was no need for them to step in.
    And another said that it would be a bad idea for them to step in, anyway, because it's something the states need to deal with at the legislative level. And yet another said that with homosexual marriage being such a new concept, it cannot be assumed that those rejecting it are doing so out of bigotry.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    And that's the problem. It absolutely SHOULD be the state's right and the supreme court has NOT decreed that the state cannot manage it's own marriage laws. Not yet, anyway. We'll see if that ever happens.
    The Supreme Court has decreed that equal protection applies to marriage laws, and that equal protection applies to state laws.
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    Re: South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    States rights. What San Francisco residents think doesn't hold water in Alabama. I've got no problem with states redefining marriage to include homosexuals if that supports the values of the people in that state. Not all states are full of people that think this sort of social experiment is a good idea.
    We are a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.

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