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    Re: Malala Yousafzai and Kailash Satyarthi Are Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

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    Trust me, we got our fingers in everyone's pie, just ask the NSA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    this is an entirely different situation. you're dealing with a holy war here between sects of Islam that has been going on for eons.
    warfare is the natural state of mankind. You want an area soaked in warfare driven by religious and geographic differences, with heavy ethnic tensions overlaid to boot? It's called Europe.

    if that's going to happen, it will happen regardless of how much we pour into the region
    That is incorrect. Up until currently the US has been a deterrent for both actors.

    we've been heavily involved in the Middle East for decades, and it's more unstable there than ever.
    That is false. The US is the only major force for stability in the Middle East and it is precisely when and where we are least active that there is the most instability. Take a look at Syria v Bahrain and ask yourself which one features more heavy US involvement in, say, the 2009-2011 era and then ask yourself which is today more stable.

    what we should actually do is to build America into a country where the tech, infrastructure, and standard of living are so good that the rest of the world wants to imitate it. it's time to nation build here at home and leave regional conflicts to the regional hegemons.
    That's a great idea. We can call it "the 1990s", and it will never, ever, end.

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    Re: Malala Yousafzai and Kailash Satyarthi Are Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

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    I don't know for absolute sure we allowed the Pakistani's nuclear tech but we did originally introduce them to it.

    In 1953, Foreign minister Sir Zafarullah Khan publicly stated that "Pakistan does not have a policy towards the atom bombs". Following the announcement, on 11 August 1955, the United States and Pakistan reached an understanding concerning the peaceful and industrial use of nuclear energy which also includes a $350,000 worth pool-type reactor.

    Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Sometimes peace is achieved by means of self defensive posturing or ability.
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    Re: Malala Yousafzai and Kailash Satyarthi Are Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Russia got them without our permission. Everyone else, needed us not to prevent it.
    On the contrary, both India and Pakistan - for example - managed effectively to develop their capacity in secret, and proved capable of effecting strategic surprise on us. China, too, we were in no position to stop.

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    Re: Malala Yousafzai and Kailash Satyarthi Are Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    India didn't get democracy from external forces. It came from within.


    Yeah. India decided to develop 1) a concept of itself as a continuous polity and 2) a dedication to representation through a Parliamentary structure because that was it's organic development path.

    Two Centuries of British Rule that fostered both of those things were completely coincidental

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    Re: Malala Yousafzai and Kailash Satyarthi Are Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary, both India and Pakistan - for example - managed effectively to develop their capacity in secret, and proved capable of effecting strategic surprise on us. China, too, we were in no position to stop.
    Unless you're a spook with high clearance or former intel official from the past, I don't believe it. China we couldn't stop or North Korea but India and Pakistan, not so sure.
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    Re: Malala Yousafzai and Kailash Satyarthi Are Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Unless you're a spook with high clearance or former intel official from the past, I don't believe it. China we couldn't stop or North Korea but India and Pakistan, not so sure.
    :raises eyebrow: Both of those instances are available in the open-source material.

    US Intelligence and the Indian Bomb

    India Nuclear Test takes US Intelligence by Surprise

    Nuclear Black Markets: Pakistan, A.Q. Khan and the rise of proliferation networks

    AQ Khan: The Godfather of North Korea's Bomb

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    Re: Malala Yousafzai and Kailash Satyarthi Are Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

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    Yeah. India decided to develop 1) a concept of itself as a continuous polity and 2) a dedication to representation through a Parliamentary structure because that was it's organic development path.

    Two Centuries of British Rule that fostered both of those things were completely coincidental

    Man, I usually keep you on "ignore", but that... that was gold. So glad I clicked on that one
    That's the most asinine thing I ever heard. Did the US get democracy from british rule as well? Colonizing a country doesn't mean you are giving them democracy.
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    Re: Malala Yousafzai and Kailash Satyarthi Are Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    That's the most asinine thing I ever heard.
    Well I'll just keep my comment about what that means about you to myself

    Did the US get democracy from british rule as well?
    Yup. That's why the Revolution started off as colonists demanding their rights as Englishmen.

    Colonizing a country doesn't mean you are giving them democracy.
    That's correct, it isn't a requirement. It is, however, a possible happy transfer that has happened multiple times in history.

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    Re: Malala Yousafzai and Kailash Satyarthi Are Awarded Nobel Peace Prize

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    Well I'll just keep my comment about what that means about you to myself



    Yup. That's why the Revolution started off as colonists demanding their rights as Englishmen.



    That's correct, it isn't a requirement. It is, however, a possible happy transfer that has happened multiple times in history.
    Saying colonization and democracy are the same thing is akin to saying sitting and standing are the same. Whatever. I will leave you to your incorrect opinion.
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