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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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Right, your proof positive is Texas. It is illegal for teachers to collectively bargain with a union and has been that way for years. There school system can compete at the top internationally while union loving schools like MA score at the very bottom. Union loving MA bad for students. Union hating Texas good for students- Sarcasm over

You might compare say Cincinnati public schools (unionized) with many in our suburbs (often not unionized)

cherry picking as you have done is really not very helpful
 
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You might compare say Cincinnati public schools (unionized) with many in our suburbs (often not unionized)

cherry picking as you have done is really not very helpful

His argument is ridiculous. That is the point.
 
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His argument is ridiculous. That is the point.

Public sector unions are ridiculous and should be banned. They don't do anything valuable for the taxpayers and drive up our costs.
 
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Public sector unions are ridiculous and should be banned. They don't do anything valuable for the taxpayers and drive up our costs.

In your opinion.
 
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In your opinion.

Yes, in my opinion as someone who spent 30 years handling labor issues and 24 years dealing with public sector unions. Private sector unions have some value in some trades as some unions train their apprentices and guarantee the quality of the work. Good unions also help management when there are problems. In the private sector-there is arms length bargaining because the unions bargain for more pay for less work while management represents the interests of the employer-wishing better or more labor for less costs

in the public sector-those on the "other side" of the union are generally politicians or those who owe their jobs to politicians and in areas where Unions are strong, those politicians often owe their continued tenure in office to union support. SO rather than representing the taxpayer, those bargaining with the Unions are often more interested in keeping the unions happy then obtaining the best bargain for us taxpayers.

furthermore, government employees have all the safeguard of the laws. so Unions do nothing but drive up our costs in the pubic sector
 
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Yes, in my opinion as someone who spent 30 years handling labor issues and 24 years dealing with public sector unions. Private sector unions have some value in some trades as some unions train their apprentices and guarantee the quality of the work. Good unions also help management when there are problems. In the private sector-there is arms length bargaining because the unions bargain for more pay for less work while management represents the interests of the employer-wishing better or more labor for less costs

in the public sector-those on the "other side" of the union are generally politicians or those who owe their jobs to politicians and in areas where Unions are strong, those politicians often owe their continued tenure in office to union support. SO rather than representing the taxpayer, those bargaining with the Unions are often more interested in keeping the unions happy then obtaining the best bargain for us taxpayers.

furthermore, government employees have all the safeguard of the laws. so Unions do nothing but drive up our costs in the pubic sector

Public sector unions ensure we won't be exploited.
 
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Public sector unions ensure we won't be exploited.

so the government which is half democrat (i.e. beholden to unions) is going to exploit public sector workers? LOL
 
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so the government which is half democrat (i.e. beholden to unions) is going to exploit public sector workers? LOL

Absolutely. It's really not a partisan thing. Teachers can be exploited by anyone in power.
 
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Absolutely. It's really not a partisan thing. Teachers can be exploited by anyone in power.

are you aware of all the laws in place that protect public sector employees? and here is the funny thing-areas where unions tend to be strong are ones controlled by Democrats
 
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are you aware of all the laws in place that protect public sector employees? and here is the funny thing-areas where unions tend to be strong are ones controlled by Democrats

For starters, what law protects me from administration that is angry because I did not agree on a Team decision in say an IEP meeting and fires me because I was 'no longer needed'?
 
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For starters, what law protects me from administration that is angry because I did not agree on a Team decision in say an IEP meeting and fires me because I was 'no longer needed'?

What law protects me from being replaced by someone that is well connected and needs a job?
 
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For what reason? I see you aren't going to answer that.
thought i did. let me post it again:
to provide information to their membership is my GUESS
those non-dues paying bargaining unit members; have they made a conscience decision to be a free rider and enjoy the benefits of union representation without incurring the costs to maintain those union provided benefits? are they employees who have never been approached to sign up? are they co-workers who do not understand what the union has negotiated for the bargaining unit, and would pay their way if they only knew what had been done on their behalf and the expenses associated with such representation? are they co-workers who are cozy with management and recognize that it is their relationship with management rather than their union affiliation that will likely advance their career? are they co-workers the bargaining unit members would find trustworthy to share information with, or should important information be withheld from them - possibly because they are management moles? are those on that list also those who receive preferential treatment from management? are they the ones who have been promoted instead of union members?
by knowing who is and is not dues paying the union membership can help identify to the union any appearance of disparate treatment, which favorable/unfavorable treatment based on union participation is an unfair labor violation

Basically...are they people who work hard, know the right people, or are they people who make sure that certain lazy workers don't get away with their crap?
are they co-workers who are not informed about how collective bargaining has helped them in their current position
or are they co-workers who have made a purposeful decision to refuse to contribute to the costs of operating the bargaining unit which represents their interests before management
the answer can only be determined after knowing who is not contributing to the cost of union activities

So the union needs to know who isn't paying money...so they can have a list of people to try to get money from?
that may be the purpose, but it could also be to identify those who could be receiving preferential treatment by management because of their refusal to join the union, which preference would be a violation of federal law. only by knowing who is and who is not a bargaining unit member can the bargaining unit ferret out which employees are receiving illegal preferential treatment because of their unwillingness to become bargaining unit [dues paying] members

That doesn't even begin to answer why others need that information.
appears i have missed something
who else outside the union was receiving that information

Unions had a place a long time ago.
and why do you think that management would not return to its old ways if the unions went away

The more you describe what they do...the more it just seems like an extortion racket to help the lazy.
the union is made up of working people
so, do you want to spend your time defending the indefensible? neither do they
but just like you do not want to see your friends get a raw deal, neither do they. and being a union official gives them the opportunity to make sure reason prevails in the workplace
unions level the playing field for the employees. alone, management can target an individual and get away with unfairness. but when the employees are banded together, standing up for what is right, they can help make fairness present on the job
and there are other ways a union can help a job site. who knows how to do their job better than the employee doing it. the union provides a mechanism to share with management better ways to get the job done
and the union can also help middle management deal with a bureaucracy. if middle management and the union are in sync on a pending issue, middle management can share the union's position with senior management as a means to get senior management to do what middle management was also seeking
the union and management do not have to be adversaries. there are many ways in which they can partner. and there are times when management and labor seek the same thing. that is what builds such partnerships between labor and management. often to the extent that each is inclined to compromise going forward to preserve that healthy partnering relationship
 
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For starters, what law protects me from administration that is angry because I did not agree on a Team decision in say an IEP meeting and fires me because I was 'no longer needed'?

if you are fired for reasons that are not illegal, I don't see what the problem is. If you are not a team player that sounds like a good reason to can you. That's hardly exploitation. are you saying that unions exist to protect incompetent or useless workers?
 
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What law protects me from being replaced by someone that is well connected and needs a job?

if they are well connected that means they are in bed with the very politicians that are in bed wit the Union
 
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if you are fired for reasons that are not illegal, I don't see what the problem is. If you are not a team player that sounds like a good reason to can you. That's hardly exploitation. are you saying that unions exist to protect incompetent or useless workers?
Team meetings are NOT designed as 'team player' meetings. Those decisions can impact a child's education.
 
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Team meetings are NOT designed as 'team player' meetings. Those decisions can impact a child's education.

I am still not seeing any value to public sector unions. how do they help either the taxpayers or the children in a school setting? or in other areas, how are the taxpayers helped by public sector unions. I don't see any value whatsoever to anyone but the Union bosses and perhaps the incompetent workers. But that is not grounds for the public to want or allow public sector unions. Hell, even FDR was opposed to Public Sector unions
 
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That is a load of BS.

you can claim BS all you want but who is going to get a teaching job in a public school through connections? connections to who?
 
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I am still not seeing any value to public sector unions. how do they help either the taxpayers or the children in a school setting? or in other areas, how are the taxpayers helped by public sector unions. I don't see any value whatsoever to anyone but the Union bosses and perhaps the incompetent workers. But that is not grounds for the public to want or allow public sector unions. Hell, even FDR was opposed to Public Sector unions

It is a myth that unions exist to protect incompetent people. Teacher's that don't toe the line are always the ones with a target on their back. Having an opinion that may not be in agreement with administration is not a bad thing. Different opinions should be heard and challenged. All that is wanted is compliancy. It's a way to take a voice away from teachers.
 
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you can claim BS all you want but who is going to get a teaching job in a public school through connections? connections to who?
Usually administration.
 
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It is a myth that unions exist to protect incompetent people. Teacher's that don't toe the line are always the ones with a target on their back. Having an opinion that may not be in agreement with administration is not a bad thing. Different opinions should be heard and challenge. All that is wanted is compliancy. It's away to take a voice away from teachers.

actually they do-I know-I saw it all the time in the Postal Service.
so you are a teacher? still-the public gains no value from public sector unions
 
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Usually administration.

interesting. have you any concrete examples
 
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actually they do-I know-I saw it all the time in the Postal Service.
so you are a teacher? still-the public gains no value from public sector unions

I would argue indirectly they do. A teacher who is treated as a professional with a backbone and a voice is better than a cog in a wheel.
 
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interesting. have you any concrete examples

When there are job openings admin. will try to get there friends/relatives hired. Without union protection, those on the hiring committee could be targeted if they don't pick the 'right' person.
 
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I'm aware of what the union did.

The fact that you claimed they printed people's addresses and phone #'s combined with the fact that they did not demonstrates that your awareness is less than you claim.

Dunning
 
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