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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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Where do you find this bogus nonsense?

:lol: which part is the bogus section? That unions job is to maximize the benefit to its, membership, that unions don't like competition, or that they try to fight their members getting fired?
 
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I would venture and say the union members and most liberals/socialists/progressives on this board would support what local 23 did

Actually not that uncommon in certain states. Lived in MA for 5 years, would hear about stuff like this on occasion. The only reason this got publicized as much is because it was for a big TV show.

The NE seems to be the roughest. Heard Penn has a pretty rough union contingent as well.
 
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Where is your argument that it is bogus, without merit, and silly?


It seems to me that you are at least conditionally in agreement that the free-riders are, indeed, free-riders.


Even if it were, you're now arguing that two wrongs make a right. That is bogus, without merit, and silly ;)

its actually proper to note your entire political philosophy is one that mandates and encourages free riders and you then whine about non union employees

hypocritical is what I call it
 
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Unions are an archaic holdover-in fact oversight has made them obsolete-what they are empirically these days-are jackbooted thugs, and part of the democrat vote mill. That includes public sector unions.

riiight. In the face of republican corporate butt buddies boldy saying how they want to abolish minimum wage and overtime and the like... I'd say we need unions pretty badly.
 
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LOL

Noted, you don't know. What an amazing revelation. "ALEC bad, real bad. Oh, and others kind of bad, sort of, don't really know, but all I want to know is, ALEC bad."

Nothing is as pervasive in politics as ALEC. Deny all you want but almost every single republican state politician and some dems are not only lobbied by ALEC but are actually MEMBERS of that ****ing organization that is lobbying them. Dumbass state politicians are pushing through the ALEC legislation with so much committment that they get caught not even changing the wording where they are supposed to take out "ALEC" and put in their name when submitting the legislation.

There is no equivalence no matter how much you want to spin.
 
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No corporations should get special tax breaks

What One gets, they all should get

The exact same rules should apply to all

I don't care if they are in alternate energy, oil, agriculture, or pharmaceuticals

If corporation x gets credit, them so do all the others

Or we could go true free market and give NONE of them credit and let the market decide.
 
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typical liberal rot. Democrats pander to working people but really don't help them.

I can agree with this somewhat... in that it appears to me that 99% of the republicans and over 50% of the dems are fishing for the same campaign funding from the same corporate powerhouses.
 
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riiight. In the face of republican corporate butt buddies boldy saying how they want to abolish minimum wage and overtime and the like... I'd say we need unions pretty badly.

Unions contribute to higher unemployment, and for the rest of us they raise prices and discourage competition-thats not good for the consumer nor is it good for innovation. At the same time, per capital income has risen over the last several decades almost linearly, but unions are dying-that suggests an inverse correlation.

What it is-is an IGM mentality, comparable to european entitlements. Its a good thing unions are dying out-they no longer serve anyone but themselves-and this thuggery is actually a good thing-it reminds us why we dont need unions. :2wave:
 
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(meanwhile, countless taxpayer dollars have been spent on public school anti-bullying campaigns)
 
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Unions contribute to higher unemployment,

right wing lie #1

and for the rest of us they raise prices and discourage competition

right wing lie #2

-thats not good for the consumer nor is it good for innovation. At the same time, per capital income has risen over the last several decades almost linearly, but unions are dying-that suggests an inverse correlation.

Except, adjusted for inflation, middle class income has collapsed with the unions' collapse... go figure.

What it is-is an IGM mentality, comparable to european entitlements. Its a good thing unions are dying out-they no longer serve anyone but themselves

right wing lie #3

-and this thuggery is actually a good thing-it reminds us why we dont need unions. :2wave:

add in some right wing bs propaganda flair for effect... aaaaannnnnnd scene!
 
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Let us all know when yer ready to go back to pre-TR days when corporations were getting away with what current corporations want to do.

And do volunteer to work weekends for free since that is exactly what Unions got rid of,
not to mention safety in the workplace, such as at hospitals .

Unions contribute to higher unemployment, and for the rest of us they raise prices and discourage competition-thats not good for the consumer nor is it good for innovation. At the same time, per capital income has risen over the last several decades almost linearly, but unions are dying-that suggests an inverse correlation.

What it is-is an IGM mentality, comparable to european entitlements. Its a good thing unions are dying out-they no longer serve anyone but themselves-and this thuggery is actually a good thing-it reminds us why we dont need unions. :2wave:
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

right wing lie #1



right wing lie #2



Except, adjusted for inflation, middle class income has collapsed with the unions' collapse... go figure.



right wing lie #3



add in some right wing bs propaganda flair for effect... aaaaannnnnnd scene!

Your showboating does not change the facts bud. Facts, are stubborn things.
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So what we see is that as union membership has declined since the mid 50's, per capita income (adjusted for inflation) has risen.
Im not suggesting causation, just correlation-but thats good enough to shoot down your weak assertions. ;)
 
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Let us all know when yer ready to go back to pre-TR days when corporations were getting away with what current corporations want to do.

And do volunteer to work weekends for free since that is exactly what Unions got rid of,
not to mention safety in the workplace, such as at hospitals .

I wonder if some day that you might realize being a statist and govt supplicant isn't always the best thing. Remember the Sam Adams quote?
 
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Your showboating does not change the facts bud. Facts, are stubborn things.
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So what we see is that as union membership has declined since the mid 50's, per capita income (adjusted for inflation) has risen.
Im not suggesting causation, just correlation-but thats good enough to shoot down your weak assertions. ;)

Yeppers... just as I thought. just comparing today's $ against 1950's dollar and claiming a victory because you don't understand inflation or dollar strength. Here's the truth. Don't let it hurt too bad...

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And you were right not claim causation because you know you damn well can't. Just a weak assed attempt to make the appearance of causation with a BS graph that doesn't mean anything because it's metrics are completely flawed.

Better luck next time.
 
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Yeppers... just as I thought. just comparing today's $ against 1950's dollar and claiming a victory because you don't understand inflation or dollar strength. Here's the truth. Don't let it hurt too bad...

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And you were right not claim causation because you know you damn well can't. Just a weak assed attempt to make the appearance of causation with a BS graph that doesn't mean anything because it's metrics are completely flawed.

Again, the facts dont reflect your assertion. "Middle class share of aggregate income"? How about we compare actual per capita income and remove the marxist angle from your claims.

Per capita, Americans continue to make more, and they do it despite unions.
On the flip side, even with a decrease in unions, per capital income is not dropping.

In addition, if you note the wiki source I provided-the numbers are corrected for inflation via Census data for 2011. All you had to do was read the axis label to see this.

This is why facts are stubborn. ;)
 
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Again, the facts dont reflect your assertion. "Middle class share of aggregate income"? How about we compare actual per capita income and remove the marxist angle from your claims.

Marxist angle huh? :lamo

Understanding inflation and that the 1950 dollar strength is not the same as 2014 dollar strength... that's just knowledge. Not Marxism.

Per capita, Americans continue to make more, and they do it despite unions.
On the flip side, even with a decrease in unions, per capital income is not dropping.

This is why facts are stubborn. ;)

Per capita income is an average including the super-rich. You know the ones whose wealth is growing astronomically while middle class per capita income is nose diving. For instance, if I were to get a per capita income growth that included Warren Buffet and 100 really poor people... guess what that average is doing? Yep... it's skyrocketing.


But don't let the REAL facts get in the way of your partisan diatribe though. :lol:
 
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Marxist angle huh? :lamo

Understanding inflation and that the 1950 dollar strength is not the same as 2014 dollar strength... that's just knowledge. Not Marxism.



Per capita income is an average including the super-rich. You know the ones whose wealth is growing astronomically while middle class per capita income is nose diving. For instance, if I were to get a per capita income growth that included Warren Buffet and 100 really poor people... guess what that average is doing? Yep... it's skyrocketing.


But don't let the REAL facts get in the way of your partisan diatribe though. :lol:

What percentage of Americans are "super rich"?
Yes, the dollar is not as strong-but that effects everyone the same amount and its accounted for in things like inflation.
Even the poor by todays standards would have been considered middle class just a few decades ago.
American middle class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Household income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So heres what is happening-EVERYONE is attaining more wealth, and there is a constant ladder from lower income to the middle class-we have a mobility you appear to not account for. Additionally, while everyone is making more (ADJUSTED for inflation) the reason the wealthy are making more is because they have more capital to invest, thats how capitalism works, not marxism.
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You also dont want to compare apples to apples.
 
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From the link:

“Unlike many of their brethren in other areas of television and film production, reality TV workers are not unionized, and tend to be paid less, get fewer benefits, and have far fewer workplace protections as a result.

Oops... I hear some right wing arguments made in the very thread suddenly evaporating into thin air . . . . :3oops:
 
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From the link:

“Unlike many of their brethren in other areas of television and film production, reality TV workers are not unionized, and tend to be paid less, get fewer benefits, and have far fewer workplace protections as a result.

Oops... I hear some right wing arguments made in the very thread suddenly evaporating into thin air . . . . :3oops:

And? Are you saying it didn't happen? Did the host have an overwhelming interest in smearing unions? :)

Lets look at some examples... Union violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Incidents[edit]
Examples of union violence since 1925 include:

2012 - Union workers protesting right-to-work legislation in Lansing, Michigan destroyed a tent run by Americans for Prosperity. People were inside the tent but managed to escape before the collapse. Additionally, hot dog stand operator Clinton Tarver, a popular vendor around the Capital area who was hired to provide catering for AFP, lost his equipment, condiments, coolers, and food in the collapse. According to Tarver (an African American), union workers, who had incorrectly assumed he was supporting AFP, called Tarver an "Uncle Tom nigger". A union worker also punched conservative comedian and Fox News contributor Stephen Crowder, resulting in a chipped tooth and a minor cut on the forehead. Another worker threatened to kill Crowder with a gun.[67][68][69][70][71][72]
2011 - It was reported on September 9, 2011 that members of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) frightened security guards, dumped grain, and vandalized property belonging to EGT, LLC, over a labor dispute. No one was hurt, and no one had been arrested at the time the incident was reported. District Judge Ronald Leighton later issued a preliminary injunction against the ILWU citing their reported behavior.[73]
1997 - On August 7, 1997, teamsters Orestes Espinosa, Angel Mielgo, Werner Haechler, Benigno Rojas, and Adrian Paez beat, kicked, and stabbed a UPS worker (Rod Carter) who refused to strike, after Carter received a threatening phone call from the home of Anthony Cannestro, Sr., president of Teamsters Local 769.[74][75]
1996 - On 19 August 1996, Australian unionists physically broke into the Australian Parliament & fought Australian Federal Police during the 1996 Parliament House Riot.[76][77]
1993 - Eddie York was murdered for crossing a United Mine Workers (UMW) picket line at a coal mine in Logan County, West Virginia, on July 22, 1993. Like the 1990 NY Daily News strike, criminal charges under the Hobbs Act were declined, with the FBI and Justice Department citing the Enmons case.[78][79]
1990 - on the first day of The New York Daily News strike, delivery trucks were attacked with stones and sticks, and in some cases burned, with the drivers beaten.[2][3][4] Strikers then started threatening newsstands with arson, or stole all copies of the Daily News and burned them in front of the newsstands.[2][3][4] James Hoge, publisher of the Daily News, alleged that there had been some 700 serious acts of violence. The New York Police Department claimed knowledge of 229 incidents of violence. Criminal charges under the Hobbs Act were declined, however, citing the aforementioned Enmons case.[2][3][4]
1986/1987 - three union workers set fire to the Hotel Dupont Plaza in San Juan, Puerto Rico, while other union members staged a fight as a distraction. The union, said to be affiliated with the Teamsters, was having a labor dispute with management over pay and health care. Ninety-seven people were killed, none of whom were union members. Most bodies were burned beyond recognition.
1986 - During protests by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 1547 against a non-unionized workforce getting a contract, picketers threatened and assaulted workers, spat at them, sabotaged equipment, and shot guns near workers.[80][81] In 1999, the Alaska Supreme Court ruled that the union had engaged in "ongoing acts of intimidation, violence, destruction of property", awarding the plaintiff $212,500 in punitive damages.[80][81]
 
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More non-union abuse:

"Since our first post on this issue last week, we've received dozens of emails from reality TV industry veterans at all levels. In their stories of long hours, dangerous working conditions with few regulations, and workplace abuses by employers, some common themes arise. Employees say production companies push them too hard and mistreat them. Production companies blame the networks. And everyone seems to agree, explicitly or not, that reality TV work is much worse than other TV work due in large part to the absence of a union that could protect its far-flung workforce. [...] Their employers have little incentive to enact change".

"A Twisted Industry": Reality TV Workers Are Really Fed Up

But-but-but unions have outlived their usefulness . . . . :2rofll:
 
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And? Are you saying it didn't happen? Did the host have an overwhelming interest in smearing unions? [...]

:screwy
 
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Those who deem public Scab Lists an acceptable union practice, kindly prove your solidarity by positing your real names and home addresses upon these pages.

I'll wait.

The union posts where people work by department, not where they live. Only another worker would be able to easilly find the person and there are plenty of laws against workplace harassment and lawsuit opportunities for the victim.

Which reminds me, no one was willing to post their phone bills in the thread on the NSA even though many claim metadata collection isn't a significant violation of privacy.
 
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More:

On another production, after working 20 hours without eating I was regularly denied 2nd meal because they only got enough for crew (who are union).

"A Twisted Industry": Reality TV Workers Are Really Fed Up

At least the non-union employees can lose weight -- that's a benefit! :lamo
 
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Wow, a thousand replies in two days. Looks like I'm late to the party.

Unions are parasitic filth, and their published "scab lists" are a shameless admission.

The union posts where people work by department, not where they live.


So that makes these lists defensible?
 
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