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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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Altho pretty far off topic, I think we can call that "fact" a rather massive fail:

"According to a June 2014 report by Politico, "The 21 groups at the core of the Democracy Alliance’s portfolio intend to spend $374 million during the [2014] midterm election cycle [...]" Democracy Alliance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"A 2013 study by the Center for Responsive Politics said that nonprofit groups backed by a donor network organized by the billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch raised more than $400 million in the 2011–2012 election cycle.[39]" Political activities of the Koch brothers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

:lamo

Complete FAIL

It's crazy to pretend you know what makes up the Progressive Machine. How about adding in AFSCME, the Ford Foundation, the Tides Foundation, Annenberg Trust, Knight Foundation, and many others. Care to add in their political spending?

BTW, the primary funding source for the Center for Responsive Politics is the Ford Foundation, a major player in the Progressive Machine. Of their other major funding comes from similar players in the Progressive Machine.

Center for Responsive Politics - SourceWatch

Funding

"Support for the Center comes from a combination of foundation grants and individual contributions. The Center accepts no contributions from businesses or labor unions."[1]

Major Funders
The Ford Foundation (currently under a three year grant of $1,000,000)
The Pew Charitable Trusts (currently under a two year grant of $550,000)
The Carnegie Corporation (currently under a three year grant of $450,000)
The Joyce Foundation (currently under a two-year grant of $350,000)​
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

As usual, you can't answer simple questions. TTFN

None of what you posted has anything to do with the FACT that ALEC helped push through anti union legislation. I'm sorry if you can't argue against that FACT so you have to bring in a whole rant against some liberal conspiracy and Soros.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Union money spent on political campaigns and advocacy represents the interests of millions of workers. Corporate money spent on political campaigns and advocacy represents the interests of a few thousand people at the top who are already rich and powerful.

typical liberal rot. Democrats pander to working people but really don't help them.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Internet posters can make bogus claims that they can't back up if they want, but they aren't going to fool anyone but the most biased and gullible fools.

again, you appear to believe in fairy tales
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

None of what you posted has anything to do with the FACT that ALEC helped push through anti union legislation. I'm sorry if you can't argue against that FACT so you have to bring in a whole rant against some liberal conspiracy and Soros.

I haven't suggested they didn't. Did you notice that? All I did was prove ALEC is a bit player attempting to counter the blitzkrieg from the Progressive Machine that is attempting to build union influence and membership in every corner of our economy.

Figured out what the SEIU does yet? The AFL-CIO? The NEA?
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

I haven't suggested they didn't. Did you notice that? All I did was prove ALEC is a bit player attempting to counter the blitzkrieg from the Progressive Machine that is attempting to build union influence and membership in every corner of our economy.

Figured out what the SEIU does yet? The AFL-CIO? The NEA?

Only ALEC is not a bit player, nor are they countering union influence and membership in every corner of our economy. That is fiction in your head.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

:lamo Complete FAIL. It's crazy to pretend you know what makes up the Progressive Machine. How about adding in AFSCME, the Ford Foundation, the Tides Foundation, Annenberg Trust, Knight Foundation, and many others. Care to add in their political spending? [...]
No, since your post that I responded to spoke only of the one organization:

The fact is the Democracy Alliance, the mothership of the Progressive Machine, has done more to influence legislation in Washington, draft bills, influence anti-business legislation, fund elections, and spread propaganda across the United States than ALEC or any conservative group could dream to have done. [...]

I'm sorry that your 'fact' was wrong but trying to 'fix' it now only makes your argument even more bizarre.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

The job is subject to a contract between the union and the company. The best description is that both entities own the job. In fact, since a union contract typically stipulates that the company will hire union employees, or at least that the union will represent the employees, it actually probably is more of a union job than a company job. Of course since the company can downsize or upsize or simply close, they do have some control on the number of jobs available.

no they both don't own the job. the company has no obligation to fill the job if they don't think it is needed. the union can't put someone in a job or hire someone without company approval. so it is the company that owns the job not the union.

thank you the company hires union or in this case non-union workers.

They have agreed to the employment contract shared between the company and the union. Each employee does not have "their own contract" -- that's preposterous. If your argument depends upon making stuff up, you need to be more creative.

don't have all the facts they could have agreed to their own contract or agreed to whatever contract the company gave them. either way they are employee's of the company they are not free loaders. however they are in a better position in the long run without the union.

although they do give up what protection the union can give them.
if the union goes on strike they can still work and do not have to stop.

you can try to demonize these people all you want to you have still not justified how violating federal labor laws is acceptable.
so please give me your explination as to how it is legal for unions to harass and create a hostile work enviroment for other workers when it is against
labor laws.

in fact an iron workers union in PA have been arrested and are on trial for such things.
so when you can form an argument that shows what they are doing is legal then you might have a case.
 
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In a non-right to work state, an electrician can't get a license w/o joining a union.
Sure... post up your source on that claim :lamo
 
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no they both don't own the job. [...]
Since you keep going off topic we'll make it simple -- who owns the job is irrelevant when it comes to the fact that the non-paying free-riders are effectively thieves.

They are working under a union contract but are refusing to pay the union dues/fees that the other members are paying. That is theft, plain and simple.

If you want to put a nice spin on it, then they are not paying their share -- same thing as failing to kick in when a group of guys have lunch together at a restaurant... the guy that can't find his wallet when the waiter shows up with the bill is a free-loader (and I've seen a few in my time).
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Since you keep going off topic we'll make it simple -- who owns the job is irrelevant when it comes to the fact that the non-paying free-riders are effectively thieves.

They are working under a union contract but are refusing to pay the union dues/fees that the other members are paying. That is theft, plain and simple.

If you want to put a nice spin on it, then they are not paying their share -- same thing as failing to kick in when a group of guys have lunch together at a restaurant... the guy that can't find his wallet when the waiter shows up with the bill is a free-loader (and I've seen a few in my time).

your understanding of theft is bogus and your argument is without merit

and its fun watching a far leftist talk about not paying one's fair share. that is the entire goal of socialism isn't it. I mean I pay tons of taxes and people like me are the reason why many freeloaders have police protection, fire protection etc

but calling it theft is really silly. if Union dues are the reason why EVERY worker in an agency shop has better wages, then the Union members have received some benefit for their dues. True, others might benefit as well but isn't this the same as what happens with taxpayers and non taxpayers?
 
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your understanding of theft is bogus and your argument is without merit [...] but calling it theft is really silly.
Where is your argument that it is bogus, without merit, and silly?

if Union dues are the reason why EVERY worker in an agency shop has better wages, then the Union members have received some benefit for their dues. True, others might benefit as well [...]
It seems to me that you are at least conditionally in agreement that the free-riders are, indeed, free-riders.

but isn't this the same as what happens with taxpayers and non taxpayers?
Even if it were, you're now arguing that two wrongs make a right. That is bogus, without merit, and silly ;)
 
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Interesting hypothesis... especially when I see the right usually harping on how unions keep employee rolls wastefully bloated because no one can ever be fired.

:shrug: the one does not obviate the other. A unions job is to maximize the benefit to its membership. That includes trying to limit the competition they face in terms of labor and then keeping them from being fired.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Since you keep going off topic we'll make it simple -- who owns the job is irrelevant when it comes to the fact that the non-paying free-riders are effectively thieves.

They are working under a union contract but are refusing to pay the union dues/fees that the other members are paying. That is theft, plain and simple.

If you want to put a nice spin on it, then they are not paying their share -- same thing as failing to kick in when a group of guys have lunch together at a restaurant... the guy that can't find his wallet when the waiter shows up with the bill is a free-loader (and I've seen a few in my time).

nope not off topic at all but you have still not defended the point of how work place harassment is legal.
when you can get back to me.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Since you keep going off topic we'll make it simple -- who owns the job is irrelevant when it comes to the fact that the non-paying free-riders are effectively thieves.

They are working under a union contract but are refusing to pay the union dues/fees that the other members are paying. That is theft, plain and simple.

If you want to put a nice spin on it, then they are not paying their share -- same thing as failing to kick in when a group of guys have lunch together at a restaurant... the guy that can't find his wallet when the waiter shows up with the bill is a free-loader (and I've seen a few in my time).

More unionist nonsense. The contract is only union because they've negotiated for their club members to get the work exclusively, effectively creating a closed shop within that company. That violates the spirit of the law and right to work. But then, in the union environment workers don't have the right to work, something you would normally argue for. But when it comes to unions, all bets are off and according to you the workers can take a long walk off a short pier.

Hypocritical in the extreme.
 
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:screwy
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

:shrug: the one does not obviate the other. A unions job is to maximize the benefit to its membership. That includes trying to limit the competition they face in terms of labor and then keeping them from being fired.

Where do you find this bogus nonsense?
 
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Can't seem to link the story, but another example of union behavior

Google top chef boston and teamsters

My wife told me about the story
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Can't seem to link the story, but another example of union behavior

Google top chef boston and teamsters

My wife told me about the story

I just googled that, amazing. :doh

This is a remnant of labor union tactics-which historically have been quite violent, in fact I remember reading about union members who didn't believe committing violence was wrong if it was done on behalf of the union.

These are thugs masquerading as honest citizens.
 
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Those who deem public Scab Lists an acceptable union practice, kindly prove your solidarity by positing your real names and home addresses upon these pages.

I'll wait.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

I just googled that, amazing. :doh

This is a remnant of labor union tactics-which historically have been quite violent, in fact I remember reading about union members who didn't believe committing violence was wrong if it was done on behalf of the union.

These are thugs masquerading as honest citizens.

I would venture and say the union members and most liberals/socialists/progressives on this board would support what local 23 did
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

I would venture and say the union members and most liberals/socialists/progressives on this board would support what local 23 did

And I would venture most adults on this board would find their behavior abhorrent

Wanting to work is fine....threatening people when you don't get the gig is the act of a coward, and a bully
 
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