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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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rabbitcaebannog said:
How is that incorrect?
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it would be correct if you said " agency fees are not required in 24 states".

every right to work state allow for agency fees to be paid if expressly agreed upon by the employee... non-right to work states require the employer to deduct agency fees, regardless of what the employee chooses.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
I've never heard of an union employee told to slow down.
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Oh, I have. That's where I got that. Right from mom who worked for 35 years at Sunbeam Corporation (small appliances). Jobs were rated. One got a base hourly wage and could make more by making more widgets. Make 110% of rate? Get 110% of wage. Make 112%? The union rep came around to visit . . . they used to check production several times a day on those rated jobs. She was told to slow down on a number of piece work jobs she had over the years. Drove her nutty.
 
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jimbo said:
In most, if not all, union contracts, that is simply not true. A job gets posted, the applicant with the highest seniority gets the job.
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Not all. Many I'm aware of also state that experience, education and other standards need to be taken into consideration.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
I think this could be very true. With that said, so will the worker's power to negotiate. They will have to compete with much lower standards globally. Not a good trend for workers at all.
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reality bites but if American blue collar workers want to have better lifestyles than equally (un)skilled laborers in Korea, India, China, Mexico etc, they have to have better work skills.

a company that pay 25 bucks for the same labor that its competition pay 5 bucks for is going out of business rather quickly
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
People who have a strong work ethic can move up the ladder quicker than those who do not. Every place of business has its super stars and its slackers. There is no proof that union workers are lazier than non union workers.
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No...not every workplace has slackers

Some bosses don't tolerate them at all....I am one of them

Your sick, or depressed, or whatever...go home

I don't need you that day

Yes...I am a sonofabitch to work for.....

My expectations are high......for every employee
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Not all. Many I'm aware of also state that experience, education and other standards need to be taken into consideration.
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Again, no mention of performance? Experience is interpreted as senority, education means the acquisition of a higher degree . Neither is necessarily indicative of a higher productivity level, or a better product.
 
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TurtleDude said:
reality bites but if American blue collar workers want to have better lifestyles than equally (un)skilled laborers in Korea, India, China, Mexico etc, they have to have better work skills.

a company that pay 25 bucks for the same labor that its competition pay 5 bucks for is going out of business rather quickly
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Better skills does not equal better pay on a global level. If a person in India agrees to do a high skill job for half the cost, guess who wins and guess who loses.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Better skills does not equal better pay on a global level. If a person in India agrees to do a high skill job for half the cost, guess who wins and guess who loses.
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if he doesn't do the job as well as the American, its his employer who loses

the fact is-US workers cannot compete against low skilled or semi skilled blue collar or "cubicle bunny" white collar workers. so if American workers want high paying jobs, they have to have hi-tech skills. There is no way around that


and there is nothing that can escape reality
 
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MaggieD said:
A slacker in a non-union shop isn't going to be around too long. I won't argue about proof; you're probably right. But perception is often reality, yes?
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It really depends on who the slacker is in many cases. I worked for a bank and many times those who got jobs knew someone in high places. Those that were incompetent were almost always protected due to that fact. Yes, nepotism is alive in union places too.
 
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jimbo said:
Again, no mention of performance? Experience is interpreted as senority, education means the acquisition of a higher degree . Neither is necessarily indicative of a higher productivity level, or a better product.
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I would assume performance would matter.
 
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TurtleDude said:
if he doesn't do the job as well as the American, its his employer who loses

the fact is-US workers cannot compete against low skilled or semi skilled blue collar or "cubicle bunny" white collar workers. so if American workers want high paying jobs, they have to have hi-tech skills. There is no way around that


and there is nothing that can escape reality
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High tech workers will equally take a hit.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
High tech workers will equally take a hit.
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I guess some are gonna be screwed!
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
I would assume performance would matter.
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You assume incorrectly. Google any union contract. For starters, try the SEIU contracts in your own community. Teachers, for example. You will find the salaries posted. You will find starter salaries. You will increases for education. You will find inccreases based on longevity. You will not find any mention of performance increases.
 
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jimbo said:
You assume incorrectly. Google any union contract. For starters, try the SEIU contracts in your own community. Teachers, for example. You will find the salaries posted. You will find starter salaries. You will increases for education. You will find inccreases based on longevity. You will not find any mention of performance increases.
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However, moving up the ladder into a higher position requires several things including experience, education and performance. Someone that may have more seniority than me will have to prove they can beat me in those other areas before getting the job over me.
 
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Sabanist said:
Not shocked, unions are full of libs and libs are disgusting vile people
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Awesome contribution champ!
 
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TurtleDude said:
you need to read better. what is the first line of the definition I posted

A strikebreaker (sometimes derogatorily called a scab,
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NO, it's not me that needs to read better

People who read well, and understand what they read, know that means that while strikebreakers are considered scabs, the word scab is not limited to strikebreakers.
 
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sangha said:
NO, it's not me that needs to read better

People who read well, and understand what they read, know that means that while strikebreakers are considered scabs, the word scab is not limited to strikebreakers.
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Oh I know that but most scabs are those who are hired on after there is a strike

its far rarer for actual members of the striking union to cross the picket line. But yes such members would be called "scabs" by other members of the Union
 
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j-mac said:
That's a cop out...So you don't know. Or maybe you don't know how to mask it enough to muddy it....
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No it was me knowing that I didn't have the time, this isn't the right forum or space, and my spidey sense telling me that the effort would be wasted on you.
 
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ChezC3 said:
don't like bullies...
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LOL

:dramallama::dramallama:
 
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MaggieD said:
I don't know...the union rep comes around and says, "Slow down, you're going to get this job re-rated," so the employee slows down. Rewarding people for longevity rather than performance does little to encourage a strong work ethic and enthusiasm for a job well done or innovation in the workplace. When your union goes out of its way to defend assholes who most certainly should be fired out of hand? Well, that promotes an attitude of "Who gives a tinker's dam?" And when your union creates an us-against-them mentality every chance it gets? Loyalty? No such thing. At least that's my take.
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The union rep has also probably seen the number of guys who set an unsustainable pace only to leave themselves crippled halfway through their career. Working for thirty years in a physically demanding career is about endurance, flash in the pans burn out quick, raise the bar unrealistically, and ultimately cost everyone more money.
 
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j-mac said:
Mutualist/Distributist? What the hell is that?
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and this is why I didn't have the time, space, or inclination...
 
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