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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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Thrilla said:
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he's not the first guy to keep unions at bay by keeping workers happy... he won't be the last.
unionistas, by all rights, should be happy about this... but for some reason, they get all pissy <shrugs>
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The reason that annoys union supporters is that when corporations successfully kill off unions they are able to lower wages and benefits and the workers have no power or ability to take action in response. The unions are largely responsible for the decent pay and benefits offered by non-union shops in a mostly union sector.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Exactly, because you dislike unions.
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Not all unions but most are wings of the Democrat party so I support anything that is deleterious to their ability to fund the democrats
 
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TurtleDude said:
Not all unions but most are wings of the Democrat party so I support anything that is deleterious to their ability to fund the democrats
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Unions should fund whatever party is willing to pursue legislation friendly to workers. If that means a third party, so be it. Too many Democrats have betrayed them.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Many people who are desperate will work under the most deplorable conditions, but that doesn't make it right by saying "they chose to do it".
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we have laws against "most deplorable conditions"

I tire of people pretending they know what is best for someone else than that person themselves.

of course that is the main tenet of american leftwing nanny state -we know what is better for you than you do. Its the attitude one must have to be in favor of more state intrusion
 
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TurtleDude said:
we have laws against "most deplorable conditions"

I tire of people pretending they know what is best for someone else than that person themselves.

of course that is the main tenet of american leftwing nanny state -we know what is better for you than you do. Its the attitude one must have to be in favor of more state intrusion
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Places that don't have those laws do allow deplorable conditions.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Unions should fund whatever party is willing to pursue legislation friendly to workers. If that means a third party, so be it. Too many Democrats have betrayed them.
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true, and many times Democrats/Unions pluck the golden goose too many times and when it flies away, the union and the Dem party allies are wondering WTF did the jobs go
 
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TurtleDude said:
LOL google how many times Teamsters and SEIU thugs have been indicted and convicted.
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That does not prove that they are associated with the mob.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Places that don't have those laws do allow deplorable conditions.
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you mean Obama's Dept of Labor is not doing its job?
 
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Hard Truth said:
That does not prove that they are associated with the mob.
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You can believe in fairy tales too if you want
 
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TurtleDude said:
true, and many times Democrats/Unions pluck the golden goose too many times and when it flies away, the union and the Dem party allies are wondering WTF did the jobs go
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Trade agreements too many times have stacked the deck in the corporations' favor and away from the workers'.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Trade agreements too many times have stacked the deck in the corporations favor and away from the workers.
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reality tends to favor someone who has a business over someone seeking work. that bothers me NONE in the least.
 
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TurtleDude said:
reality tends to favor someone who has a business over someone seeking work. that bothers me NONE in the least.
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Stacking the deck too much in one direction is not good.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
I was referring to those who work in shops where they get all the same exact benefits of their union counterparts but pay nothing in return. The other members of that group pick up the tab.
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People who choose do negotiate their own wages and the employers who hire them are simply marketing their skills and labor at market rates, i.e. the price at which someone is willing to sell and the price at which someone is willing to buy. Whether or not that that price is determined by an actual free market or a market dictated by an agent of your choosing is of no consequence

Why should I as a worker be required to use an agent of your choosing to negotiate for me?
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Stacking the deck too much in one direction is not good.
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reality stacks the deck.
 
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jimbo said:
People who choose do negotiate their own wages and the employers who hire them are simply marketing their skills and labor at market rates, i.e. the price at which someone is willing to sell and the price at which someone is willing to buy. Whether or not that that price is determined by an actual free market or a market dictated by an agent of your choosing is of no consequence

Why should I as a worker be required to use an agent of your choosing to negotiate for me?
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lefties want unions to be strong because Unions are the major fund source for Democrat politicians
 
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jimbo said:
People who choose do negotiate their own wages and the employers who hire them are simply marketing their skills and labor at market rates, i.e. the price at which someone is willing to sell and the price at which someone is willing to buy. Whether or not that that price is determined by an actual free market or a market dictated by an agent of your choosing is of no consequence

Why should I as a worker be required to use an agent of your choosing to negotiate for me?
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....because the agent is negotiating for you.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
Well, yes current reality maybe but it doesn't have to be stacked that way.
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I prefer that to the artificial environment caused by government.
 
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Hard Truth said:
The reason that annoys union supporters is that when corporations successfully kill off unions they are able to lower wages and benefits and the workers have no power or ability to take action in response. The unions are largely responsible for the decent pay and benefits offered by non-union shops in a mostly union sector.
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yeah, i hear the unions and their supporters say that all the time.....it's primarily a scare tactic " if we don't represent you, they'll cut your pay and make your 8 year old son work in the mines", but there is some effect on other wages, to be sure... to what extent?... who knows?
I think they have a very real hand in labor shortages in conjunction with their contracts , though... which is a fine way to artificially inflate wages, if you're into manipulating markets.

union, today, are primarily in the public sector( govt, and govt contractors)... that's their stronghold....they can't negotiate wages/benefits in govt (thank god)... they are utterly useless in the very "industry" they have a stranglehold on.

anymore, i'm starting to believe the primary purpose of the unions is self preservation, followed by electing Democrats to office, followed by creating huge non-taxable slush funds .... workers come in around #10 or #12 ( the behavior and arguments of the pro-unionists around here attest to that fact)
 
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TurtleDude said:
lefties want unions to be strong because Unions are the major fund source for Democrat politicians
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Don't you ever get tired of this ****?
 
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