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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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RedAkston said:
There was nothing misleading about the article, only the rush to attack the source due to a preconceived disposition of the poster (that would be you).
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I pointed out what was misleading, and you have yet to refute it

Really? I have an aunt who is poor and disabled. She hasn't paid taxes in years. Do you wish to retract your statement or are you going to stick with the lie?
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She doesn't buy anything that sales taxes apply to?
 
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sangha said:
.....The union says they were not aware of any scab letter, and that things are getting ugly for both sides.
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Naturally. And just like the mob thugs who come in and suggest that you voluntarily pay some money for local protection, pointing out what a nice place it is you have here, and wouldn't it be a shame if someone were to smash it and set it on fire, they have no idea how it could possibly come to pass that those who refuse to pay up should then run into troubles.... :roll:
 
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sangha said:
I pointed out what was misleading, and you have yet to refute it

She doesn't buy anything that sales taxes apply to?
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If she's on disability, she doesn't pay a dime. ;)
 
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Ockham said:
As unions continue to lose support with workers, they will continue to try and hold tighter on what little they have left.
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MaggieD said:
And we make the mistake of thinking that bullying is just a problem in schools.
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Right?

Looks like bullying to me. Of the grown up variety.
 
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lifeisshort said:
Are you implying non union workers could face harassment or their tires being slashed or their homes being vandalized? This has never happened before!:lol:
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The problem with exaggeration is that it tends to dilute or defeat your cause. According to the OP's source, information about the workers' vehicles or home addresses is not being disclosed, which makes your post essentially a falsehood and therefore your credibility zero. Given that, I doubt your fellow conservatives appreciate your contribution.
 
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RedAkston said:
And how do they "desire contempt" exactly?
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Well, according to the Conservative definition they are "takers"; accepting union benefits without contributing to the cost of obtaining those benefits.

Now were they needy then I could perhaps see giving them a pass on paying their fair share, but no case is made to that effect.
 
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Karl said:
The problem with exaggeration is that it tends to dilute or defeat your cause. According to the OP's source, information about the workers' vehicles or home addresses is not being disclosed, which makes your post essentially a falsehood and therefore your credibility zero. Given that, I doubt your fellow conservatives appreciate your contribution.
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Oh we all know how difficult that information is to come by, right ?

Especially after a name has been publicly disclosed.
 
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RedAkston said:
Pressure tactics: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers | Fox News



The last line is bolded for emphasis. These are the tactics that unions use and it's plain wrong. I dare anyone to defend what the union is doing here with a straight face.
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What a shame. I did something I wish I hadn't done...I went to the Local 31 site and looked at the names. Then I did a Google search on a random name from the list in "Kansas" and I was able to get pages on information about that person. The statement from the National Right To Work Legal Defense Foundation is spot on. That man could easily be harassed, not only at work, but in his personal life.

This is just so wrong.
 
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RedAkston said:
Try reading the article again. No one said they posted personal information in this specific instance. The lawyer with the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation said that unions do this, not that they did this in this specific instance, and he is correct. [...]
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Since the lawyer provides no evidence of his unrelated claim we don't know if he is correct or not. I see a propaganda effort underway here, in that allegations unrelated to this specific issue are being piggybacked to further a meme, and based on at least one response in this thread a misleading meme. Again, this is a recurring issue with conservative claims -- they mix, match, and try to push beyond the matter at hand to the point of getting their followers to believe things are true that are, in fact, mere allegations at this point (personal information, slashed tires, homes vandalized, etc).
 
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cpwill said:
[...] Seriously. Using violence and the threat of violence to take money from others is wrong..... Unless you do it in a union. How does that make sense. ?
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With respect to the facts as reported, you have entered the Twilight Zone, so it is your post that makes no sense... but not to worry, you are not alone in this thread :lol:
 
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Unrepresented said:
By taking advantage of the protections and benefits unions offer all employees without paying for them.

Scabs are parasites.
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Great, I just spit coffee all over my monitor.
 
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cpwill said:
I think you are thinking of "freeriders". People who come in and work are called "employees". People who do so while a union is busy throwing a fit about something are derisively called "scabs", but they aren't taking advantage of the Union's benefits [...]
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The normally higher union wage is a benefit, but I suspect you know this already. So, can you tell us what wage the scabs are working at, and compare it to the normal union wage at that facility?

I won't expect an immediate reply, since I'm unsure of the transmission delay to and from the Twilight Zone :2razz:
 
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Karl said:
Well, according to the Conservative definition they are "takers"; accepting union benefits without contributing to the cost of obtaining those benefits.

Now were they needy then I could perhaps see giving them a pass on paying their fair share, but no case is made to that effect.
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Fair share? You mean being forced to pay union dues when you don't want to belong to one? That's your idea of fair share? Well, we disagree. IMO, the company ought to pay its nonunion workforce 50-cents an hour more and exempt them from work rules. They'd be quittin' that union in droves. Now that's union busting I could get behind.

I don't need a union. I don't want a union. And forcing me or coercing me into paying their dues is little more than extortion.
 
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sangha said:
The line you bolded is misleading. The Scab List contains the workers name and the dept they work in.
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Yeah, guys, giving out a names and where they can find to people who think they are scum is totally not intimidation! :roll:
 
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Karl said:
Since the lawyer provides no evidence of his unrelated claim we don't know if he is correct or not. I see a propaganda effort underway here, in that allegations unrelated to this specific issue are being piggybacked to further a meme, and based on at least one response in this thread a misleading meme. Again, this is a recurring issue with conservative claims -- they mix, match, and try to push beyond the matter at hand to the point of getting their followers to believe things are true that are, in fact, mere allegations at this point (personal information, slashed tires, homes vandalized, etc).
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The same thing happened at UAW Local 1853 in Tennessee last week.
 
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jmotivator said:
Yeah, guys, giving out a names and where they can find to people who think they are scum is totally not intimidation! :roll:
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This union also tells people the names of their officers and where and when they can be found

E-MAIL PAGE

Obviously, they want union members to intimidate their officers
 
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RedAkston said:
Sub’s Town Plastered with Scab Flyers | fox8.com

This was actually worse than just posting a scab list. They went to the neighborhood where these people lived and did this.
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Well now this is an entirely different event (different employer, different union, different workers, different state). And you have no evidence that the union was even involved with the letter (they deny it).

Shouldn't this be a different thread? You are trying to tar the actions of one group with the actions of an entirely different group (in a different state, no less). Is that intellectually honest?
 
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Unrepresented said:
By taking advantage of the protections and benefits unions offer all employees without paying for them.

Scabs are parasites.
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Screw the union. The only parasite is them. I've dealt with union ********ers, they generally make things more work than necessary and cost twice as much for half the work. I prefer non union shops to union shops. Non union shops get the job done with minimal bull**** and time for about half the cost. The real kicker is at least around here, non union wages are damn near what union wages within a couple of percent usually and in some cases higher significantly so. If I ever drive again for a living, I know exactly where I would go to work and it wouldn't be a union shop.

Anyone who would willfully mistreat people that haven't mistreated them, are scum. Not belonging, or belonging to a union is no excuse to mistreat people. I may not like the union shops and I try not hire them, but that doesn't mean when I do work with them I treat them with contempt. They get treated like any other professional, as a professional with professional courtesy. Treating anybody any other way at the workplace or jobsite or professional setting is unacceptable, and crass, not mention foolish.
 
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Karl said:
The normally higher union wage is a benefit, but I suspect you know this already. So, can you tell us what wage the scabs are working at, and compare it to the normal union wage at that facility?
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1. Can you? That would be a pretty neat trick, giving the incredible number of protests, pickets, and workers you'd have to cover down on.

2. What he described were not scabs, but the freerider "problem".
 
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RedAkston said:
Pressure tactics: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers | Fox News



The last line is bolded for emphasis. These are the tactics that unions use and it's plain wrong. I dare anyone to defend what the union is doing here with a straight face.
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Hello folks, I'm new to DP. I can't say I'm shocked by this story. Anymore than I am the rather, um..............creative lengths some will go to in order to defend or dismiss the facts of the matter. Particularly when it comes to substantive discussions about the shortcomings and foibles of unions. In any case, I appreciate the (not surprisingly ignored) supporting data and links that have been posted. They really help to flesh out the big picture and I for one 'precipitate it.
 
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Great King Rat said:
Hello folks, I'm new to DP. I can't say I'm shocked by this story. Anymore than I am the rather, um..............creative lengths some will go to in order to defend or dismiss the facts of the matter. Particularly when it comes to substantive discussions about the shortcoming and foibles of unions. In any case, I appreciate the (not surprisingly ignored) supporting data and links that have been posted. They really help to flesh out the big picture and I for one 'precipitate it.
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Welcome!
 
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MaggieD said:
Fair share? You mean being forced to pay union dues when you don't want to belong to one? That's your idea of fair share? Well, we disagree. IMO, the company ought to pay its nonunion workforce 50-cents an hour more and exempt them from work rules. They'd be quittin' that union in droves. Now that's union busting I could get behind.

I don't need a union. I don't want a union. And forcing me or coercing me into paying their dues is little more than extortion.
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Maggie, honey, we would nevah extoaht you.... I'm just saying those are some nice kneecaps you have and gosh it would be a shame if some unfortunate misunderstanding were to occur and they were to get accidentally broken with a baseball bat....
 
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