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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Nice red herring which has nothing at all to do with rebutting that ALEC is behind much of what is happening to weakening unions. There are even people like Chris Edwards who is an economist at the Cato Institute who don't want to stop until they are dead. "Unions are going the way of the dinosaur in the U.S. private sector, which is a good thing for workers and businesses because it will make America more competitive," he said. "If right-to-work laws extend to the 50 states, then private sector unions will be dead in America."

    How does Edwards feel about the death of all private sector unions?

    "Good riddance," he said. Analysis: Why America's unions are losing power - CNN.com

    Also read: How Michigan's Right-To-Work Law Came to Be | BillMoyers.com
    LOL

    Red herring?

    Nice dismissal of the most well funded, well connected political forces in the United States today. Complete FAIL on your part.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    What a silly claim! The 1% are the most well-connected richly funded political force in the USA. QED.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL

    Red herring?

    Nice dismissal of the most well funded, well connected political forces in the United States today. Complete FAIL on your part.
    No, it is on your part since both parties support many corporate interest. Even Obama's healthcare program is market driven and backed by many corporate interest. As far as unions, he may give lip service to them but he has been no real true supporter. So, you can make this a partisan thing but at the end of the day corporate America has bought both parties. Unions are being defeated by these interest.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, it is on your part since both parties support many corporate interest. Even Obama's healthcare program is market driven and backed by many corporate interest. As far as unions, he may give lip service to them but he has been no real true supporter. So, you can make this a partisan thing but at the end of the day corporate America has bought both parties. Unions are being defeated by these interest.
    Do you have any idea who sits on the Board of the Democracy Alliance, the George Soros affiliated mothership of the Progressive Machine?

    By the way, another dismissal is noted.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Do you have any idea who sits on the Board of the Democracy Alliance, the George Soros affiliated mothership of the Progressive Machine?

    By the way, another dismissal is noted.
    George Soros is a business man not a union leader.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    umm he does support those things. you on the other hand along with others do not.
    I don't now how you can say that.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    George Soros is a business man not a union leader.
    LOL

    Noted, you don't know. What an amazing revelation. "ALEC bad, real bad. Oh, and others kind of bad, sort of, don't really know, but all I want to know is, ALEC bad."

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I fault them for not being able to accept that these workers haven't done anything wrong by applying for and accepting a job.

    I fault you for not being able to tell the difference between theft and not making a donation to an optional organization.
    It's an optional organization at an optional job in an optional career path. It's all options, and they're still freeloading.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I get the fact that the Union is required by law to represent these people. That's not the worker's fault. That's the government's fault. Lobby for a law change. Leave the workers alone.

    If I am pissed off at a law, I don't go running around town to find out what average person may benefit and start plastering their name on the internet or a public place.

    Is it really that hard to comprehend? Has basic law and order and decency left you people? For Pete's sake. You unionists are supposed to be the bastion for the working man and here you guys are thinking it's alright to tar and feather one of your own like a bunch of barbarians, because he didn't make a damn optional donation.
    Sometimes the enemy to the working man is the corporate executive, and sometimes he's the guy next to you who's willing to undermine the battles that you've spent blood and treasure fighting. Desertion during a war can earn you a death sentence historically, I don't see how printing a name on a webpage for a similar level of selfishness is even in the same ballpark.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not much....Demonization campaigns often start with language, and lies about those one ideology propagates against another...We've seen this before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I've never said that Unions don't have a place in society, at least when they work responsibly. I grew up in a Union city, Lansing Michigan. However, if you think that I should HAVE to join a Union to have a job, that is a problem. Your right to assemble, is also my right to not.
    No one is arguing that you must join a union.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You don't get to determine what profit a company makes. This is the point where your jealousy of not being rich comes out...I'm not interested in that sorry.
    If the company's profits don't match the wealth of society, then there's exploitation, and the people should counteract that to restore balance.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't put much stock in a website that you can't even tell who runs it, or who funds it...It's propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, trade barriers like the high taxation rate that progressives like you want to levy on business.
    It's all relative. If we make the foreign goods less pleasant to purchase because we force them to manufacture at our own domestic levels of environmental standards and worker protections, the American worker and an American product look much more attractive.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You included this answer to my #2 in my quote of #3...I hope that wasn't intentional. In any case CU was proper, and progressives like you don't like it largely because it takes away the one sided ability to support political agendas that Unions were setting up...Now, it levels the playing field and you all hate it.


    That doesn't look level.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Apparently that is exactly what is happening, with union support being at all time lows in this country, they are getting desperate.
    It's overdue for a return. I'm surprised that the corporations are keeping people scared of retaliation rather than claiming a fair share.

    Here's the history of defined benefit pension plans in the private sector:



    Here's the history of middle class share of income over a similar period:



    Those are both due for a correction, and unions are the tool to reverse those trends.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Destroying the company is not how you increase jobs. Again, I know you have great disdain for those who run companies, but not everyone is equipped to be a CEO.

    Now, would I like to see parity in salaries where some CEO's don't make 400% or more of their workers wage? Eh, I really don't care as long as I make a good wage, and have a secure job...Why are progressives so concerned with what the other guy makes, instead of focusing on the job you do, so that you can earn more?
    Unions aren't there to destroy a company, they're there to balance the interests of the workers with the interests of the corporation.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, and you can thank progressive policies for that...High taxes, demonizing, promoting welfare over work while pushing business to cheaper labor centers in the world is the result...
    Exporting jobs isn't a progressive policy.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When your definition of "working together" means something other than agree with me, or do it my way, then we have a basis for discussion. That isn't the case now, thanks to progressives that took power, and decided to say one thing, and act in another.
    Don't want to pay for the benefits of a union job? Get a job that isn't union. If you like the job so much, pay to help maintain it and grow it for others.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yep you conceed the point. they are not scabs they are not running from anything. they choose to take their employment in their own hands and feel they can do better without the union.

    they will to. more so when the union decides to strike making 50 dollar a week strike pay while the people that chose to deal with the company on their own terms make full pay and full work.

    i would say they are not running but taking up their own cause the most noble of efforts.
    They're making union wages and benefits because of the union, yet they don't want to work to keep those benefits, they want others to do that for them.

    They're scabs.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL

    Noted, you don't know. What an amazing revelation. "ALEC bad, real bad. Oh, and others kind of bad, sort of, don't really know, but all I want to know is, ALEC bad."
    The point is ALEC is behind anti worker legislation and YOU cannot argue against that FACT.

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