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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    In case you're missed the other dozen times it's been pointed out in this thread, you can't force anyone to join a union. It's another right wing, anti worker myth.
    The choice is join the union or dont get the job-thats what you support. And you also apparently support coercion and thuggery to do just that. Not very tolerant, is it?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I concedce nothing. You're making baseless ignorat statements about the struggle for fair and equitable labor versus cowardly back riding by those who are too afraid to join said struggle. The coward runs from the field.
    yep you conceed the point. they are not scabs they are not running from anything. they choose to take their employment in their own hands and feel they can do better without the union.

    they will to. more so when the union decides to strike making 50 dollar a week strike pay while the people that chose to deal with the company on their own terms make full pay and full work.

    i would say they are not running but taking up their own cause the most noble of efforts.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    brother is in a union and moved his way up by working and getting noticed but there are a lot of people that don't do anything and still make union pay.
    he was working they were sitting. getting the same pay as him. now he can't move up anymore and has to do a lot more work than others.

    dad is in a union getting ready to retire. same thing he worked hard and made the same pay as the slackers.
    Contracts determine expectations for both employer and employee. If employees aren't working hard and retain their jobs it's because their employer didn't want them to when agreeing to terms.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yet that is exactly what this union is trying to do and it is illegal and makes the union liable.
    if the company does nothing to stop it then it makes the company liable for lawsuit as well.
    The union is encouraging freeloaders to stop being freeloaders. It's not legal compulsion as the many corporate apologists in this thread have mistakenly claimed.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    they are not freeloaders they are employee's that choose freedom of association by not joining the union.
    your hypocrasy is amazing you evidently don't support the freedom of association.

    yet that free speach is a violation of worker harassment laws and non hostile work enviroments.

    so evidently you don't support the things you say you do.
    They're freeloading off the work and money of the unions. That's not debatable. They're scum who take and refuse to give back. I have no sympathy for their selfish, ignorant type.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Contracts determine expectations for both employer and employee. If employees aren't working hard and retain their jobs it's because their employer didn't want them to when agreeing to terms.
    wrong they tried to fire them and the union protected them there was nothing the company could do.

    The union is encouraging freeloaders to stop being freeloaders. It's not legal compulsion as the many corporate apologists in this thread have mistakenly claimed.
    no they are harassing workers and creating a hostile work environment all of which is illegal unless you can prove it isn't. which you can't so you lose.
    the union is liable for any and all worker harassment and if they refuse to stop and the company doesn't do anything then both are liable.

    They're freeloading off the work and money of the unions. That's not debatable. They're scum who take and refuse to give back. I have no sympathy for their selfish, ignorant type.
    wrong. they are not freeloading off anything. they are employee's that signed their own contracts. they are working and neogiating their own wages and salaries. they have 0 union protection in case they have to be let go of. they don't owe something they are not using.

    i have no sympathy for thuggery and work place harassment.
    evidently you support law breakers which is what the union is doing.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post

    The union is encouraging freeloaders to stop being freeloaders. It's not legal compulsion as the many corporate apologists in this thread have mistakenly claimed.
    That's not encouragement, especially if they have the same inclinations you do.

    Encouragement would be polite and positive. It would not ostracize.

    Now, being an obnoxious asshole is UAW Local 31's strategy. One may misconstrue this as encouragement, but that is not the correct assessment.

    That strategy ought to be condemned, not just because it is not very effective in winning people over, but because it is improper, childish behavior.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's only if you have the idiotic entitlement mentality that you are OWED a job. You ARE NOT. A job is nothing more than an employer trying to obtain a commodity KNOWN AS LABOR. If you are unwilling or unable to supply the commodity at terms the Employer wants, then he SHOULD BE FREE to find another source
    Not to forget that the other guy without a job wants to work and his simpler needs translate into a product that can better compete with German or Chinese producers, maybe securing the production base in the states.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    wrong they tried to fire them and the union protected them there was nothing the company could do.
    Because the company agreed to that in the contract that both the company and the union signed off on.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    no they are harassing workers and creating a hostile work environment all of which is illegal unless you can prove it isn't. which you can't so you lose.
    the union is liable for any and all worker harassment and if they refuse to stop and the company doesn't do anything then both are liable.
    I'll wait until a judge decides it's illegal, until then, I'm of the assumption that posting the names of scabs is no different than posting the name of sex offenders.
    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    wrong. they are not freeloading off anything. they are employee's that signed their own contracts. they are working and neogiating their own wages and salaries. they have 0 union protection in case they have to be let go of. they don't owe something they are not using.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    i have no sympathy for thuggery and work place harassment.
    evidently you support law breakers which is what the union is doing.
    Again, let's see what a judge has to say.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That's not encouragement, especially if they have the same inclinations you do.

    Encouragement would be polite and positive. It would not ostracize.

    Now, being an obnoxious asshole is UAW Local 31's strategy. One may misconstrue this as encouragement, but that is not the correct assessment.

    That strategy ought to be condemned, not just because it is not very effective in winning people over, but because it is improper, childish behavior.
    So you're faulting them for not being supportive enough to people ripping them off?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    could someone tell me what Nimby's blatherings have to do with what I said.
    As long as yer naming names Turtle--do you support nonUnion corporate CEOs with pressure tactics threatening their jobs if they vote to join a union--threatening their jobs if they don't vote for GOP scab-representing-reprehensible pols in right-to-work-for much less states ?
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The choice is join the union or dont get the job-thats what you support. And you also apparently support coercion and thuggery to do just that. Not very tolerant, is it?
    Have you given up yer weekends yet--fought for by yer Union bros and sisters--how about workplace safety during the flu epidemic 100 years ago--too bad progress--ive GOP Prez TR couldn't clean up his elite/gilded wing fast enough huh ?
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Have you given up yer weekends yet--fought for by yer Union bros and sisters--how about workplace safety during the flu epidemic 100 years ago--too bad progress--ive GOP Prez TR couldn't clean up his elite/gilded wing fast enough huh ?
    Unions are an archaic holdover-in fact oversight has made them obsolete-what they are empirically these days-are jackbooted thugs, and part of the democrat vote mill. That includes public sector unions.

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