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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702]

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Pressure tactics: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers | Fox News



    The last line is bolded for emphasis. These are the tactics that unions use and it's plain wrong. I dare anyone to defend what the union is doing here with a straight face.
    It should be against the law to post their personal information on a website. Other than that, I don't see the problem in identifying who is not in the union. I mean, aren't the union members names posted? All you have to do is look for, say, John Doe's name in the union member list, and if he's not there, you know he doesn't belong. So not much difference to post his name in a "non-union" list.

    People should stand by their union stance. Some of these guys who don't want to pay, just because of the money, because they reap the benefits of the union without paying. They should be proud of that, if that's their position, just like union members should be proud of their stance.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so what else does it apply to?
    Any employee that works against a union
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Any employee that works against a union
    that's a rather interesting version I admit. that could be someone who say works for a GOP politician when off work for example.and most members of management.



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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's a rather interesting version I admit. that could be someone who say works for a GOP politician when off work for example.and most members of management.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Try again. A union is nothing more than something "created by the people through a (representational) democratic process and intended to be aid to those without" the balls to stand up for themselves and are only effective in non-right to work states...
    come on now... it's not about someone not having the balls to stand up for themselves. It's simply a matter of whether or not you think your labor has value or not. When you are hired, by anyone anywhere, it is basically a contract, verbal or written, for the value of your labor. It'd be rather disingenuous to think that a corporation and a single person are anywhere near equal ground of compromise when entering into that contract. A union simply levels he playing field to barter for the contract on the what the value of your labor is.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    yeah, especially a strikebreaker-which is what I said all along. of course, having a degree in labor relations I knew that



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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    those non-members are still required to pay for representation.... they just don't have to pay full dues. ( they pay agency fees or association fees, which are less than the full member dues) it's a myth that non-members don't pay anything.. the whole "free-rider" thing is pretty much a myth [...]
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    [...] every worker under a contract pays for his representation... full members just pay more ( they cover all the rest of the union spending, like on political contributions, overhead, union official salaries, etc).. non-members only pay agency fees. [...] ...union propaganda doesn't fly very far, my friend
    Speaking of propaganda, it seems that yours has changed its tune:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it would be correct if you said " agency fees are not required in 24 states". [...]
    So, after all this myth talk (cough, propaganda, cough), it seems that you have decided that agency fees are not paid (not required) after all in the Right To Work states -- which informed people knew all along. Congratulations

    "Right-to-work laws [...] are a government regulation of the contractual agreements between employers and labor unions that prevents them from [...] requiring employees to pay a fee to unions that have negotiated the labor contract all the employees work under. [...]"

    "[..] the agency shop, under which employees must pay the equivalent of union dues, but need not formally join such union. Section 14(b) of the Taft–Hartley Act goes further and authorizes individual states [...] to outlaw the [...] agency shop for employees working in their jurisdictions. Under the open shop rule, an employee cannot be compelled to join or pay the equivalent of dues to a union [...][8] In other words, the employee has the right to work for a willing employer, regardless of whether or not he is a member or financial contributor to the union."

    Right-to-work law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Now I think that any reasonable person will conclude that in Right To Work states, which utilize the "open shop" rule, the average non-union workers working under a union contract are not voluntarily paying a union fee that state law says they don't have pay. Of course I'm sure you can dig up some marginal exceptions, such as gov't workers (who work under open shop rules exclusive of state laws but still desire union representation), professional athletes (who have no shortage of money and more sensitive public relations image to maintain),.

    As to the depth of the free-rider problem:

    "Just over 17 percent of covered workers in Right To Work stats are nonmembers, while about 7 percent are nonmembers in non-Right To Work states."

    http://sobelrs.people.cofc.edu/All%2...s%20Matter.pdf

    A table at the same source indicates that 17% translates to ~340,000 free-riders in the all the RTW states combined. Assuming that the vast majority of that 340,000 don't pay jack to the union, that's a lot of lost dues that paying union members have to make up for (at, say, $500 in agency fees annually you'd be looking at a cool $150 million/year, conservatively) .

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I deny that the word only applies to strikebreakers
    So do two major mainstream dictionaries (and no doubt more), but the right has retreated to their alternate reality (and daffynition dictionary ) and there is no shaking them out of that tree . . . basically at this stage of 'debate' (some 25 pages back, actually) all you're going to are repeated automatonic responses.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    Corporations, or companies have one....repeat one mission....make money for their owners, and or shareholders

    Not to employ people

    Not to provide benefits

    To garner as much profit as possible
    I'm going off on a tangent but this is the same exact argument I make when people front the position of giving huge tax breaks to corporations because that will somehow make them hire more people.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    LOL - anything in the past century you'd like to bring up?

    Keep trying sangha, it's hilarious!
    Don't know about recent violence but recent threat?... sure. The governor of Tennessee stepped in and bullied the volkswagen plant to push against unionizatin and then Senator Bob Corker stepped in and lied to the employees of the Volkswagen plant there and said that if they voted yes to unionize then volkswagen specifically told him they'd not bring in their new line of cars to be done there. Volkswagen flat out said he lied. This was just earlier this year.

    How Tenn. politicians killed Volkswagen unionization
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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