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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    [QUOTE=rabbitcaebannog;1063856229]People working different levels can make different rates. What you are basically saying is people don't have an incentive to do better if they are paid well.[/


    No...just the opposite

    I of use incentives to get the most of of my workers

    I make my workers compete against each other....and they continuously raise the bar for each other

    And their pay is based on production.....not just showing up

    Incentives work.....I get more out of my employees....and they get more in their checks

    Win/win
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    No....there are some good employees in union shops

    And their hands are tied Ina lot of cases

    Too work too fast....don't make everyone else look average at best now

    Unions breed mediocrity.....it is what they do
    I've never heard of an union employee told to slow down.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    People who have a strong work ethic can move up the ladder quicker than those who do not. Every place of business has its super stars and its slackers. There is no proof that union workers are lazier than non union workers.
    A slacker in a non-union shop isn't going to be around too long. I won't argue about proof; you're probably right. But perception is often reality, yes?
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    People who have a strong work ethic can move up the ladder quicker than those who do not. Every place of business has its super stars and its slackers. There is no proof that union workers are lazier than non union workers.
    In most, if not all, union contracts, that is simply not true. A job gets posted, the applicant with the highest seniority gets the job.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    global labor environments have been the hardest on unions. Except for captive markets-like AFSCME, unions are doomed. any industry where one can move their manufacturing or tech support to say India, is going to be union free pretty soon
    I think this could be very true. With that said, so will the worker's power to negotiate. They will have to compete with much lower standards globally. Not a good trend for workers at all.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    How is that incorrect?
    it would be correct if you said " agency fees are not required in 24 states".

    every right to work state allow for agency fees to be paid if expressly agreed upon by the employee... non-right to work states require the employer to deduct agency fees, regardless of what the employee chooses.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I've never heard of an union employee told to slow down.
    Oh, I have. That's where I got that. Right from mom who worked for 35 years at Sunbeam Corporation (small appliances). Jobs were rated. One got a base hourly wage and could make more by making more widgets. Make 110% of rate? Get 110% of wage. Make 112%? The union rep came around to visit . . . they used to check production several times a day on those rated jobs. She was told to slow down on a number of piece work jobs she had over the years. Drove her nutty.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    In most, if not all, union contracts, that is simply not true. A job gets posted, the applicant with the highest seniority gets the job.
    Not all. Many I'm aware of also state that experience, education and other standards need to be taken into consideration.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I think this could be very true. With that said, so will the worker's power to negotiate. They will have to compete with much lower standards globally. Not a good trend for workers at all.
    reality bites but if American blue collar workers want to have better lifestyles than equally (un)skilled laborers in Korea, India, China, Mexico etc, they have to have better work skills.

    a company that pay 25 bucks for the same labor that its competition pay 5 bucks for is going out of business rather quickly



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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    People who have a strong work ethic can move up the ladder quicker than those who do not. Every place of business has its super stars and its slackers. There is no proof that union workers are lazier than non union workers.

    No...not every workplace has slackers

    Some bosses don't tolerate them at all....I am one of them

    Your sick, or depressed, or whatever...go home

    I don't need you that day

    Yes...I am a sonofabitch to work for.....

    My expectations are high......for every employee
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