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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    [...] i know this is hard to understand for the radical unionistas around here but.... "non-union" does NOT equal "scab". [...]
    In the midst of overwhelming unionization -- which you described in your previous post -- it does. If every shop on the strip is unionized except Adelson's (which is essentially what you described), then he's running a scab shop by definition. Now I know you guys don't believe the mainstream dictionaries, but your retreat into an alternate reality is not my problem.

    All your other rationalizations are irrelevant when it comes to proper use of the English language... and if some want to invent their own language, then conversation with them is impossible (at least until they document it for translation, but it appears to be fluid).
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I don't need or want a union. I have a right to work and without the middleman. Living in a vacuum has nothing to do with this.
    Your job and the scale it pays is based on the prevailing wage which is predicated on union negotiated contracts in the sector and/or industry which you work.

    Inter-conntected we all are.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    you are babbling again.
    Did you miss the quarantine at McCarran?
    As far as yer GOP is concerned, it's only a matter of time before President Ebola hits Sin City .
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I will when I help put a GOP-type amendment on the ballot in 2018 to save our public pensions.
    You're welcome in advance since I know just the GOP pols to do this .
    GIVE IT BACK.

    Until then, we got nothing to say.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Using clownboy's imaginary dictionary, eh?

    Since you guys are so desperate for a win, let's rephrase: people who take a union job in the absence of a strike, and refuse to pay a pro-rata share of union dues, are stealing both from the union as well as their fellow workers (Thrilla, you already agree with this in principle).

    Several mainstream dictionaries define such people as scabs, a term which can also be used to describe strike-breakers and picket-line crossers.

    There -- you guys no long have a dictionary to hide behind
    Lovely, your rephrase is no more correct. In fact, it is the union who is stealing. Again, by collective bargaining law the union must ask more than what it is after in the negotiations and management must offer less than it is willing to give. This rarely results in anything but a loss for those employees, union and non.

    So not only are all employees prevented from receiving the most management is can offer, but this unnecessary middleman is also fleecing the union employees of dues.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    No--yer a GOP like so many on this website running from their brand and past votes .
    learn your place, geezer... I tell you what I am, you don't tell me about myself.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Hmmm. Well what do you think public employee unions have been doing? How has the SEIU gone about organizing public employee representation?
    Most of the SEIU leadership should be in USP-Florence



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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Yet in post #622 you were so sensible.

    How can you be so selfish and so wrong on fixing the pension?

    You and I will get 44 cents on the dollar in ten years or less--the going federal rate for cities like Detroit.

    Because of four decades of mismanagement and judges who have a conflict of interest in the same system we're in .

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    GIVE IT BACK.

    Until then, we got nothing to say.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Another postcard from the Twilight Zone
    I realize the concept of public property as well as the first Amendment's right of NON-association is loathsome to the far left but the fact is, private businesses shouldn't have to tolerate unions on their property. And Guess what--if the union can get all available labor to side with the union-then the union will prevail. If not, the union is SOL but its no proper role of the government to help unions exist



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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Closed shop states no longer exist. Your fail is approaching record-breaking status . . . . .
    Nice try, but despite state and federal law, unions have done end runs around it. Your fail is in not recognizing that, or playing at ignorance hoping no one else will call you on it.

    Construction unions and unions in other industries with similar employment patterns have coped with that prohibition by using exclusive hiring halls as a means of controlling the supply of labor. While such exclusive hiring halls do not, in a strictly formal sense, require union membership as a condition of employment, they do so in practical terms, in that an employee seeking to be dispatched to work through the union's hiring hall must either pay union dues or pay a roughly equivalent hiring hall fee. So long as the hiring hall is run on a non-discriminatory basis and adheres to clearly stated eligibility and dispatch standards it is lawful. The Taft-Hartley Act also bars unions from requiring unreasonably high initiation fees as a condition of membership in order to prevent unions from using initiation fees as a device to keep non-union employees out of a particular industry. Also, the National Labor Relations Act permits construction employers to enter into pre-hire agreements, in which they agree to draw their workforces from a pool of employees dispatched by the union. The NLRA prohibits pre-hire agreements outside the construction industry.[4]

    For the entertainment industry, unions representing performers have as their first rule one banning any represented performer from working on any non-union production. Penalties are imposed on the union member, not on the employer, and can lead to loss of union membership. Most major productions are union productions, and non-members join the Screen Actors Guild through performing as extras and earning three union vouchers, or by being given a speaking line and entering that way. The other performance unions do not have minimum membership standards, but joining the union bars one from working on non-union productions.

    Also, all four major sports leagues are union shops, even though a franchise may be located in a state that has a right-to-work law or constitutional provision.
    Closed shop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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