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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I see. You don't want to defend your position. I don't blame you.
    My comments were clear, you failed to grasp them and now want to change the subject to be about some misunderstanding on your part. Understood.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    People are ignoring the fact that many types of persuasion are legal and ethical. Violence, stalking, vandalism, making threats and workplace harassment are all illegal and no one has advocated those methods. Making the list of freeloaders is not a call to take illegal action. Providing information, convincing, arguing, shunning, and embarrassing are all legal and ethical ways to influence the freeloaders.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    why should I care if those folks disagree with me? if they wanted representation for free, why do they put in mechanisms for unions to get paid for representation in their right-to-work legislation?
    Uh, they don't. I suppose you can take a union job, not join the union, and volunteer to pay the union in a RTW state, but the legislation certainly doesn't say that you have to pay -- quite the opposite.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So failing your arguments on topic (unions) you now want to argue semantics (the definition of scab), understood.
    umm, you're the one who claimed "it doesn't mean that!!"
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    And scabs are the workers who work across picket lines, not generally all non-union workers.
    I used the word correctly, and you tried to argue that "it doesn't mean that!!"

    And now that you failed, you'll pretend that someone else was making it an issue.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Scabs should be harassed and intimidated. It is an affront to every working man out there that you've got people who'll bottom feed and piss on all the work and effort that has gone in to organized labor.

    As I said in an earlier post, The Right to Work For Less crowd's take on this is completely hypocritical. They'd gladly let union busting, employer intimidation, and use of the police to further the ends of the employer but then when not even a fraction of their tactics are used by the other side, they get all indignant, all, --"Why I NEVER?!?!? This must be stopped, those poor people!!"

    I mean get bent, seriously...
    I disagee with harassing and intimidating as a strategy. It is unethical, creates blowback, and provides ammunition to the enemies of workers. Action should be limited to providing information, convincing, arguing, shunning and embarrassing.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    My comments were clear, you failed to grasp them and now want to change the subject to be about some misunderstanding on your part. Understood.
    If you say so

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    they aren't stealing anything from you, regardless of what the union propaganda says.
    I take it you've never been on a picket line and watched scabs take your jobs. Scabs are stealing; that's why they're called scabs.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    They are ignorant, easily swayed by one or two anecdotes, and arrogant, but mostly sincere. Many fools identify more with the boss's interests than their own. They have been conned to think that the billionaires that profit off of other people's labor care about liberty and constitutional principals when they are only trying to maximize their profits. Some call these fools house niggers. I call it Stockholder's Syndrome.
    I call it Koch-Brother Syndrome. We bailout the banks and insurance industries and then it's time for small government and self sufficiency? I mean, gtfoh...

    But I agree, people have been duped. Any talk of a more equitable dispersement of compensation is met with "YOURE A GODDAMN MARXIST!" As if they even know what that means. "You want to take from the producers!!" No. I want to give to those who produce the same as those who aggregate. That's all a business owner or a corporation is, an aggregator of production, by and far none of them are producers themselves. That's what the Labor is for. The "Capitalist" aggregates commodities, labor, and tools which in turn produce a product he takes to market. He thinks his aggregation, or amalgamation entitles him to the lion's share of the return. As if he done anything other than bring together a worker and his tools to transform a low value commodity into a high one. Did he create the value? No. He merely set the conditions so that the Laborer can.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    umm, you're the one who claimed "it doesn't mean that!!"

    And now that you failed, you'll pretend that someone else was making it an issue.
    I did. And like the word "immigrant", it has become polluted, muddied. But I like how you ignored the rest of the post.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    NALC branch 1100 for 10 years, shop steward for 2.
    You were in the post office. So how did you protect people who weren't doing their jobs? You said you were a steward, so you must have protected those lazy union employees.
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