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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Normally it wouldn't, but the anti-unionists are arguing that union violence in the past justifies assigning union violence to the current event in the OP.

    So, past employer violence is a case of sauce for the goose
    I can only assume you can't argue with the premise of the OP, but would rather just justify it.

    I fully understand

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Including those uppity minorities and Muslims?
    That is exactly right if they can't get the job done.

    Do you think a minority or Muslim should keep their job simply because they are a minority or a Muslim?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    No they shouldn't. They aren't breaking the laws as you are for harassment.
    They're being weak and cowardly: they take all of the salary and benefits without putting in what it takes to get them anad keep them. They are riding on the backs of the union members; it's deplorable.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah I like freedom. and if you own a business you should be able to fire or hire whomever you want


    You can hire anyone you want. If you don't like said person, you still have 90 days, like many businesses. Another benefit that is used a lot, is "do not send letter". That can happen on day one and said person goes back to to that hall and can't be dispatched to your company again for six months. A lot of comapnies also hire off the street and then that peson jloins the union after 90 days.

    So companies hire exactly who they want all the time. No one is forced onto a company.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Nice of you NOT to read the story and simply say Fox is lying... how very... ummm... progressive of you.

    The lie is in the OP over "personal information". The scab list is a good thin actually. Sort of like posting the pictures of hooker's Jons on billboards.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Just the union using unions muscle to get what they want. This sort of thing has been happening in unions shops since the first days of the unions. Why is ANYONE surprised by this? That's the real question.



    Personal information on the list itself is irrelevant. Everyone knows 'Joe over in machining' (or whatever department), and these unions members that'll probably follow them home and write down that address to be shared next day at work. There's no need for the union to publish any of it. It'll be easily obtained.

    The scabs list is little more than a wink and a nod from the union to it's members to apply pressure and have these scabs either fall in line with the union or leave.

    The same can be said for the Card Check legislation the unions want to get passed.

    Card check - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You can easily imagine the thuggery that goes on to get those cards signed in back alleys. Secret ballot would be far more fair and honest method, IMHO.

    It puzzles me that the left is so supportive, tolerant and even encouraging of union thugs bullying people who just trying to make an honest days wages, when they are totally up in arms and nearly to tears about similar bullying in the schools for example.
    Well, the union isn’t using muscle; they’re shaming people who are riding on their backs and I think it’s a fair thing to do for despicable behavior.

    And right: Joe over at machinery should be shamed. I don’t think that rank and file members will follow anybody home. That kind of stuff can be trouble and unions by and large don’t want any of that. What’s going on is good enough. Card check BTW won’t solve anything, I’ve said that many times. It might guarantee representation, but it can’t guarantee a contract. And union members will never bully an organizing drive. That can get a very fast injunction. You need more practice with reality erik. I know that you don’t like unions, but your hyperbole is over the top.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Since you're new, I'll give you a tip: what you are doing is not debating. Now I realize you see others doing the same, but they are not debating either. Debating is a discussion about a topic or an event, not a discussion about people participating in the debate/discussion. I know that to many it is more fun to insult/demean other participants, but from a debate standpoint it is a logical fallacy (failure). FWIW.
    You post was so comic I had to laugh! Here let me return the favor. What did the leaper say to the prostitute? Keep the tip. I see that you have no clue that insulting/demeaning other participants and throwing around stupid generalizations constitutes a lot of what you have posted in this thread. So the fact that you enjoy acting exactly as you are lamely whining I do? Because I noticed your dear pal Sanga's weak bait? Is a logical fallacy, you might want to learn what the words you are using actually mean. Because all I see here is a schizophrenic posting style devoid of much logic but heavy on fallacy. Now here is a free tip for you, each time you proceed to act like not only a hypocrite but start lecturing others like you are staff moderator? I'll do the same favor for you I did yesterday, and let the real thing do their job with you. I've got a funny feeling you don't enjoy a lot of respect and cache with the staff here, so let's not turn this into the Karl's dog and pony show and make it all about you and your schizophrenic posting style. But if you insist I can certainly be helpful in making sure that kind of weak posing gets the audience it deserves. Free tip. No charge.

    Hey, how do you circumcise a leaper? Shake him.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    I can only assume you can't argue with the premise of the OP, but would rather just justify it. I fully understand
    I'm sorry that #435 and #439 was over you guys' heads, but that's not my problem, and others who did understand it shouldn't have to suffer thru an explanation. Have a nice day

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah I like freedom. and if you own a business you should be able to fire or hire whomever you want
    Including those uppity minorities and Muslims?
    That is exactly right if they can't get the job done. [...]
    Turtle didn't say anything about getting the job done, so answer the question in the context it was asked without running and hiding behind an excuse:

    "if you own a business you should be able to fire or hire whomever you want", "including those uppity minorities and Muslims."

    Yes or no?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Great King Rat View Post
    You post was so comic I had to laugh! Here let me return the favor. What did the leaper say to the prostitute? Keep the tip. I see that you have no clue that insulting/demeaning other participants and throwing around stupid generalizations constitutes a lot of what you have posted in this thread. So the fact that you enjoy acting exactly as you are lamely whining I do? Because I noticed your dear pal Sanga's weak bait? Is a logical fallacy, you might want to learn what the words you are using actually mean. Because all I see here is a schizophrenic posting style devoid of much logic but heavy on fallacy. Now here is a free tip for you, each time you proceed to act like not only a hypocrite but start lecturing others like you are staff moderator? I'll do the same favor for you I did yesterday, and let the real thing do their job with you. I've got a funny feeling you don't enjoy a lot of respect and cache with the staff here, so let's not turn this into the Karl's dog and pony show and make it all about you and your schizophrenic posting style. But if you insist I can certainly be helpful in making sure that kind of weak posing gets the audience it deserves. Free tip. No charge.

    Hey, how do you circumcise a leaper? Shake him.
    You keep lecturing about what constitutes proper debate yet you demonstrate very little of it. Instead, your posts have been predominantly focused on judging other posters tactics with little substance concerning the issue and moaning about "insulting/demeaning other participants" in a post that does nothing but that.

    Maybe someday you'll contribute an actual argument in support of the OP.
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