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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    [...] not working for a union [the real premise is working a union job and refusing to join that union] does not make you a scab you need to get a clue.
    You may create your own dictionary with its own meanings if you like (this does seem to be a favorite conservative pastime), but no one will think you have a clue

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

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    yeah I like freedom. and if you own a business you should be able to fire or hire whomever you want
    Including those uppity minorities and Muslims?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    [...] people should have the freedom to contract.
    Except unions, right?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Everyone saw it
    Everyone who already agrees with you

    But I do like how you returned to argumentum ad populum after claiming you don't need it.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    How would that in any way justify employees being harassed and intimidated by other employees and their union?
    Normally it wouldn't, but the anti-unionists are arguing that union violence in the past justifies assigning union violence to the current event in the OP.

    So, past employer violence is a case of sauce for the goose

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Pressure tactics: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers | Fox News



    The last line is bolded for emphasis. These are the tactics that unions use and it's plain wrong. I dare anyone to defend what the union is doing here with a straight face.
    Yes, calling people the term scab is a pressure tactic used by unions. Business has its own tactics to deter threats to the organization. It may not be calling members a scab but no doubt it does intimidate.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Please put the quote in context without selectively singling it out, or is that how you roll? There's a reason my visits to this site have diminished... Good night. You have to live with yourself...
    Taking your ball and going home and/or casting aspersions upon the character of other posters will not correct your prior erroneous posts. If information from the right wing echo chamber has misled/misinformed you, then you should be upset with them and possibly discount their input in the future.

    As your link shows (and as the Wikipedia link showed, altho you dismissed it on an ad hominem basis), no one is forced to join a union. In non-right-to-work states they may, as a condition of continued union employment, be 'forced' to pay a pro-rata share of the union's operating costs.

    "Workers have the right, under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), to refuse to join a union. However, some collective bargaining agreements -- the contracts between the employer and the union -- require a company to employ only union workers to do certain jobs. One major reason unions want these contracts is to share the burden of the union's work. The union is required to represent everyone in the bargaining unit, regardless of their union membership. Requiring everyone who gets the benefit of the contract to be a union member solves the problem of so-called "free riders," who reap the windfall of the union's work but don't pay the price.

    Generally, a company can't require a worker to become a full union member as a condition of employment, but the worker may have to pay at least some portion of union dues, depending on the basis of his or her objection to the union and the laws of the state where the employer is located. [...]"

    Right to Work, Union Shops, and Union Dues | Nolo.com

    For those of you in Rio Linda, this says that in a non-right-to-work state you can refuse to join the union and still keep the job by paying a portion of the dues that a regular union member would pay... all conditions are satisfied both with the law and the employer.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Normally it wouldn't, but the anti-unionists are arguing that union violence in the past justifies assigning union violence to the current event in the OP.

    So, past employer violence is a case of sauce for the goose
    I see, so, the behavior of the current "more enlightened" members of society are justified in their actions by those of a hundred years ago.

    Makes perfect sense. Good thing we don't have such employer violence these days...it would make the harassment to complicated.



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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I see, so, the behavior of the current "more enlightened" members of society are justified in their actions by those of a hundred years ago. [...]
    No. You didn't understand what I wrote, or perhaps the context in which it was written. It was a criticism of the argument presented by the anti-union posters here, a criticism that essentially hoisted them on their own petard.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    No. You didn't understand what I wrote, or perhaps the context in which it was written. It was a criticism of the argument presented by the anti-union posters here, a criticism that essentially hoisted them on their own petard.
    Yes, I understood it. You didn't understand the response.
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