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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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Karl said:
Wrong. Based on political contributions, GE is a larger supporter of Republicans.

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https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000125​


Apple leans Democrat, but their total political contributions are only ~3% of what GE spends so they are essentially irrelevant.

So -- another right wing myth bites the dust :2wave:
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Boy you guys are liars....(progressives)...GE CEO Jeffery Immelt - "In February 2009, Immelt was appointed as a member to the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board to provide the president and his administration with advice and counsel in fixing America's economic downturn.[14] Jeffrey R. Immelt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While at the same time taking taxpayer monies, and moving to China...

As far as Apple is concerned, the close relationship they have with this progressive WH is troubling regardless of the amounts donated on behalf of Apple Corp. to demo causes. You really think that the level of money across the board when you add in private donations of Apple employees is not significant? Also, that's enough for you to dismiss the fact that the iPhone you use is made by slave labor in China?

I thought you were for the worker?
 
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Karl said:
How are any of these words made up, and since they are all in the dictionary how can they have no meaning?
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Really? Then it should be easy to provide...Instead all I get from you people is deflection and ad hominem....Why is that?

Your post is a perfect example of why it is useless to "get into a discussion with those who lack requisite knowledge to be a part of the conversation". Your post makes no sense, so how could any discussion even occur? We've seen lots of those types of posts in this thread, trying to rewrite the dictionary, making claims that the simplest of research indicates are false, those that simply are incoherent (such as yours). It's bizarre.
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All I asked was for the definition to be posted....Why is it my responsibility to define his made up bull ****? He spewed it, he should define it...Your post here is a fail.

Another post that makes no sense whatsoever, other than a transparent attempt to cover your a) failure, and b) inability to substantiate your claim, with an ad hominem to boot. It is stunning that one would even offer up such a retort, for it is so clearly a fail. You folks need to study up on debate at least a little bit, for what you are putting forth is quite simply embarrassing.
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Like I said, I need to prove NOTHING to you. I don't know you, you're on an anonymous message board, and if you are taking up to defend the made up definition the onus is on you to define the term. Your bravado is only cover for your own inability to discuss the topic anyway...
 
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jet57 said:
Again; I don't know how you can say that. Since you've never been it, you have no idea how it feels to have someone walk in and steal your job and then flip you off again and again. You have no idea how it feels to work hard to get what you have and then have someone right next to you effectively thumbing their nose at you all teh while taking with pleasure the pay and benefits that you fought for. If anything you're armchair quarterbacking opinions.
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"it"? What is it?

All of your whining won't change the fact that today, the pendulum has not swung yet, and people don't want the Union in their place of work. That's a fact.
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
No, union membership is not in every corner of the economy. Union membership is down in every industry. The motive behind ALEC's model legislation was to destroy unions. "If right-to-work laws extend to the 50 states, then private sector unions will be dead in America." Words from Chris Edwards from the Cato Institute.
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LOL

I never wrote that union membership was in every corner of the economy, but the Progressive Machine has been created to change that. Your denial of this fact is really rather remarkable.
 
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Karl said:
Doh! :doh
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LOL

I'm sorry, but I can't overcome the ignorance many display on this site. I think I'd rather they just keep displaying the fact for the amusement of others. So, I'll leave you to that group providing entertainment.

(Psssst. As I posted, the Center for Responsive Politics is part of the Progressive Machine, not too helpful to your argument when you use a cog in the Progressive Machine to prove the "enemy" is worse)
 
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ludin said:
freedom of association is also the freedom to not join a union. you kinda left that out.
actually i have never been in a union. i have no desire to be in one either. i can neogiate my pay a lot better for my skill.
i get a pay raise and promotion based on what i do. the people that slack well i can't say the same thing.

umm why would i go to a place and demand something they don't offer that makes no sense which sums up your argument.
nope not at all. why freedom of association.

I have no problem with unions and if people want to join them. i think it makes worse for them in the long run that it is their choice.
What i have a problem with and what you think is perfectly fine is work place harassment which is illegal. so far you have yet to show me how work place harassment is legal under federal guidelines. if the union continues to create a hostile work enviroment then they are legally liable for a lawsuit. if the company doesn't stop it then they are liable as well.

you can't guarantee anything because you don't know.

it is the same reason that foreign auto workers are paying the same amount or more to their non-labor employee's so that they have no reason to unionize.
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Yes, freedom of association works both ways, however, when it comes to setting a standard for a skill and keeping that standard, the all in policy not only creates a healthier environment but is but demonstrates a consistency that keeps management from pitting one against the other; which management always has done and brings about a reason for collective bargaining in and of itself.

umm why would i go to a place and demand something they don't offer that makes no sense which sums up your argument. nope not at all.
why freedom of association.
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That – makes no sense. Can you do that again?

Again: how can a union make it worse for you in the long run? I retired at 50 because of my union. And having no problem with unions is a good thing. I have no problem with non union shops: if that’s what they want, good for them. I have problems with unfair tactics like right to work: eventually, and as we have seen over the years as unions have declined, the non union shop has no ability whatsoever to better their condition, avoid discrimination politics in the workplace or plan a future that they can really depend on, as has been seen by several collapses of 401k plans over the years: my ex-mother in law lost everything when her airline employer went through a collapse.

And “unions” don’t create a hostile working environment: employees create their own conditions of cohesion. And nobody can guarantee anything, so I don’t know what your point is there.

As far as what non union auto workers are making; again you missed the side of the barn with the cannon you’re holding: do you think that the UAW and other unions had just a little bit to do with that?
 
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ocean515 said:
LOL

I never wrote that union membership was in every corner of the economy, but the Progressive Machine has been created to change that. Your denial of this fact is really rather remarkable.
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They are not attempting to organize in every part of the economy because they lack resources. Those resources taken away due to Right to work laws. They are operating on the defense. A speaker from a right wing think tank articulated well what they were doing to unions.....They are trying to take the unions out at the knees by depleting their resources.
 
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j-mac said:
"it"? What is it?

All of your whining won't change the fact that today, the pendulum has not swung yet, and people don't want the Union in their place of work. That's a fact.
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"it" is labor: you have no working knowledge of it, so you don't know what you're looking at.

I'm sorry; whining? Yeah, you've got a lot to learn. And teh pendulum is swinging, that's how Mcdonalds and walmart and others are finding themselves in very effective organizing drives and why eventually the unions will set up shop. These things take time. The government and wall street are doing their jobs very nicely too, just like they did in the run up to the crash of '29. Strong labor is a condition of environment.
 
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j-mac said:
What "requisite knowledge" do I need to realize that you just made up words that have no meaning in order to mask what you really want...?

Anytime you'd like to answer honestly, I am listening...
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:yawn:

Herbert Agar
Hilaire Belloc
L. Brent Bozell, Jr.
Cecil Chesterton
G.K. Chesterton
Seward Collins
Dorothy Day
J. P. de Fonseka
Eric Gill
Douglas Hyde
Vincent McNabb
Arthur Penty
Hilary Pepler
William Purcell Witcutt
Dorothy L. Sayers
Dale Ahlquist
Justin Barrett
Phillip Blond
Allan C. Carlson
Charles A. Coulombe
Christopher Ferrara
Bill Kauffman
Race Mathews
John Médaille
Joseph Pearce
John Peterson
John Sharpe
Thomas Storck
John Carson
John Kanu
Stratford Caldecott


I suppose all these people have wasted allot of their time on my "made up word"...

:roll:

Please stop now, for your own sake.
 
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j-mac said:
That's it, can't be honest, so run away...:roll:

Man you guys are easy.
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Oh please...:roll:

Like Sunday morning...
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Karl said:
Wrong. Based on political contributions, GE is a larger supporter of Republicans.



Apple leans Democrat, but their total political contributions are only ~3% of what GE spends so they are essentially irrelevant.

So -- another right wing myth bites the dust :2wave:
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Perhaps you should learn to read that page. Notice that contributions from the org itself are equal between dems and repubs. The contributions from individuals within GE foes highly repub.
 
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ChezC3 said:
:yawn:

Herbert Agar
Hilaire Belloc
L. Brent Bozell, Jr.
Cecil Chesterton
G.K. Chesterton
Seward Collins
Dorothy Day
J. P. de Fonseka
Eric Gill
Douglas Hyde
Vincent McNabb
Arthur Penty
Hilary Pepler
William Purcell Witcutt
Dorothy L. Sayers
Dale Ahlquist
Justin Barrett
Phillip Blond
Allan C. Carlson
Charles A. Coulombe
Christopher Ferrara
Bill Kauffman
Race Mathews
John Médaille
Joseph Pearce
John Peterson
John Sharpe
Thomas Storck
John Carson
John Kanu
Stratford Caldecott


I suppose all these people have wasted allot of their time on my "made up word"...

:roll:

Please stop now, for your own sake.
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Look, all you have to do is give the definition....You seem to be doing a whole lot of dodging here, why, if it's so simple that is?
 
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jet57 said:
"it" is labor: you have no working knowledge of it, so you don't know what you're looking at.

I'm sorry; whining? Yeah, you've got a lot to learn. And teh pendulum is swinging, that's how Mcdonalds and walmart and others are finding themselves in very effective organizing drives and why eventually the unions will set up shop. These things take time. The government and wall street are doing their jobs very nicely too, just like they did in the run up to the crash of '29. Strong labor is a condition of environment.
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:lamo I've probably forgotten more than you know pal...
 
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j-mac said:
Look, all you have to do is give the definition....You seem to be doing a whole lot of dodging here, why, if it's so simple that is?
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That list was a cut & paste from the Wiki page on distributism. Distributism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It seems a distant theory and not a very well known one.... unless of course the local socialist club is meeting. It's probably a hit with them.
 
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Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

rabbitcaebannog said:
They are not attempting to organize in every part of the economy because they lack resources. Those resources taken away due to Right to work laws. They are operating on the defense. A speaker from a right wing think tank articulated well what they were doing to unions.....They are trying to take the unions out at the knees by depleting their resources.
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You're so misinformed it seems rather pointless to go on. For example, the SEIU has been taking in over $65 million per year in dues from California alone, and in just one category, In-Home-Support-Services. They have been doing that for over 8 years. And they sit on the Board, like the Democracy Alliance, where they can direct extra money to the effort.

You should really stop pretending you know anything on this subject, since it is stunningly clear you have nothing but ideas you want to believe, not facts.

This is how the unions gain the money and power to intimidate and cajole non-union members to join, or else.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

j-mac said:
Karl said:
Wrong. Based on political contributions, GE is a larger supporter of Republicans.



Apple leans Democrat, but their total political contributions are only ~3% of what GE spends so they are essentially irrelevant.

So -- another right wing myth bites the dust :2wave:
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Boy you guys are liars....(progressives)... [....]
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The numbers don't lie.

j-mac said:
[...] As far as Apple is concerned, the close relationship they have with this progressive WH is troubling regardless of the amounts donated on behalf of Apple Corp. to demo causes. [...]
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A "relationship" is a matter of opinion. Numbers are a matter of fact. My post above is based on fact. Sorry those don't work out for your claims. Perhaps OpinionPolitics would be better suited for your argument than DebatePolitics?
 
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Karl said:
From the link:

“Unlike many of their brethren in other areas of television and film production, reality TV workers are not unionized, and tend to be paid less, get fewer benefits, and have far fewer workplace protections as a result.”​

Oops... I hear some right wing arguments made in the very thread suddenly evaporating into thin air . . . . :3oops:
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First, the topic is union violence and intimidation, was just providing a link to a topic mentioned.

Second, at least attribute the quote to an author, a writer for the Gawker. As far as the claim goes, like to see the actual breakdown in how much less the wages are, what kind of reductions in benefits and all the "horrible" abuses that reality TV staff face on a daily basis.
 
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Fishstyx said:
First, the topic is union violence and intimidation, was just providing a link to a topic mentioned.

Second, at least attribute the quote to an author, a writer for the Gawker. As far as the claim goes, like to see the actual breakdown in how much less the wages are, what kind of reductions in benefits and all the "horrible" abuses that reality TV staff face on a daily basis.
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no
it is not

but prove me wrong and identify within the OP/cite where the union participated in violence and intimidation

i'll await your documented reply
 
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justabubba said:
no
it is not

but prove me wrong and identify within the OP/cite where the union participated in violence and intimidation

i'll await your documented reply
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My sincerest apologies....."Pressure Tactics." :roll:
 
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ocean515 said:
You're so misinformed it seems rather pointless to go on. For example, the SEIU has been taking in over $65 million per year in dues from California alone, and in just one category, In-Home-Support-Services. They have been doing that for over 8 years. And they sit on the Board, like the Democracy Alliance, where they can direct extra money to the effort.

You should really stop pretending you know anything on this subject, since it is stunningly clear you have nothing but ideas you want to believe, not facts.
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The delicious irony:cool:
 
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Fishstyx said:
My sincerest apologies....."Pressure Tactics." :roll:
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apology accepted
 
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Karl said:
I couldn't agree more with your description of right wing debate tactics :thumbs:
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I suggest worrying more about policies then wings.
 
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Fishstyx said:
Karl said:
From an inline link at the previous link:

“Unlike many of their brethren in other areas of television and film production, reality TV workers are not unionized, and tend to be paid less, get fewer benefits, and have far fewer workplace protections as a result.”

Gawker: "A Twisted Industry": Reality TV Workers Are Really Fed Up​

Oops... I hear some right wing arguments made in the very thread suddenly evaporating into thin air . . . . :3oops:
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First, the topic is union violence and intimidation, was just providing a link to a topic mentioned. [...]
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Correct, but that did not prevent anti-union posters from claiming that unions were no longer necessary, even though that really doesn't make any sense with respect to the topic. So, a factual counterclaim was called for to discredit the anti-unionists in general.

Fishstyx said:
Second, at least attribute the quote to an author, a writer for the Gawker.
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Fair enough. Done.

Fishstyx said:
As far as the claim goes, like to see the actual breakdown in how much less the wages are, what kind of reductions in benefits and all the "horrible" abuses that reality TV staff face on a daily basis.
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Irrelevant with respect to the anti-unionists claims of obsolescence. If you're interested in more stories of the abuse of non-union workers, you'll find them at the link provided. It seems the industry practice is to treat at least some them as 'independent contractors', a shakey tax-dodge often used by companies that want to dodge all benefits (FICA, Workers Comp, health insurance, etc), which means they have no benefits at all. For even more information on non-union employee abuse, Google is your friend. Also, here's a followup post to the one I made above (this one includes the direct link):

Karl said:
More non-union abuse:

"Since our first post on this issue last week, we've received dozens of emails from reality TV industry veterans at all levels. In their stories of long hours, dangerous working conditions with few regulations, and workplace abuses by employers, some common themes arise. Employees say production companies push them too hard and mistreat them. Production companies blame the networks. And everyone seems to agree, explicitly or not, that reality TV work is much worse than other TV work due in large part to the absence of a union that could protect its far-flung workforce. [...] Their employers have little incentive to enact change".

"A Twisted Industry": Reality TV Workers Are Really Fed Up​

But-but-but unions have outlived their usefulness . . . . :2rofll:
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