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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Try 1988 - Delores Huerta (UFW)
    You do realize she was beaten by San Francisco police officers, yes? Union members??

    May not have been a good example.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Middle class jobs make up a smaller percent too, guess people don't want those around either...
    That's pure nonsense...Why would you think that?...People want the jobs, just not the union...At least at the moment...See, I think it is like a pendulum. At the moment, the unions are coming off a period of their popularity where they abused that trust, and went too far in demands to the point that over time it was clear that it hurt the businesses that allowed them in. And now they are at an all time low in participation because times are tough, and people are scared to lose their jobs, for fear that they won't find another one...

    From my perspective, Union membership will only come back in certain sectors when a few things come into place...

    1. When manufacturing returns

    2. When Unions reform their mode of operation, and cease using their dues they mandate from members to meddle in political agendas that their members don't agree with

    3. And only if the businesses involved don't offer something better to keep them out...

    People today, along with businesses know that the labor market is highly competitive, and to keep good employees businesses have done things, that in the past they may not have when qualified workers were in abundance...

    So, a deeper understanding of what is going on in the workforce today is what progressives like you don't get, and probably never will if you keep trying to crudely use the Alinsky model of snark and insult to silence your opponents.

    As the old song says:

    'You should get some better beats'

    'and uh'

    'Get some better rhymes'....
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You do realize she was beaten by San Francisco police officers, yes? Union members??

    May not have been a good example.
    Yes, I do

    I'm not sure what the point is
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, I do

    I'm not sure what the point is
    Maybe I misunderstood your post. Was it not in support of this:

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    Employers have fired, blacklisted, beaten and killed many workers who stood up for themselves. There is nothing cowardly or wrong with working with others to achieve a goal, that is why we have governments, organizations and armies. Businesses have their own organizations and work together on their mutual goals all the time.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Maybe I misunderstood your post. Was it not in support of this:
    So you think it matters if it's a businesses employees or a govt worker that does the beating?

    The history of labor activism has many examples of businesses having the govt do their dirty work
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/labor-...ry?id=15986495
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you think it matters if it's a businesses employees or a govt worker that does the beating?

    The history of labor activism has many examples of businesses having the govt do their dirty work
    Labor Activist Asks Wal-Mart to Protect Her - ABC News
    Well, I'm not going to try to do a forensic audit of what happened in this particular case. But seems to me this beating was very personal. Are you implying that a Captain told the officers, "Go out, find this lady, and beat the crap out of her"? I see it as union members avidly disliking her stance of trying to provide rights to immigrants. What am I missing?
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Yes, partially. Individual initiative (will) is a factor, but it isn't the only factor. Luck (genetics and random chance), is also a factor, including whether you are lucky enough to be healthy, smart and physically strong. Many of the characteristics we consider virtues are skills or behaviors that one (if fortunate) learns at an early age, largely by the example of one's family and community. Those characteristics include perseverance, the ability to focus and complete a task, and the ability to reject instant gratification in exchange for a greater reward in the future.
    Perhaps, but I think you are downplaying personal initiative. It is paramount. It seems to me, that if we turn our futures over to what will be provided to us, we give away our responsibility to others who will decide for us what we can achieve.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, I'm not going to try to do a forensic audit of what happened in this particular case. But seems to me this beating was very personal. Are you implying that a Captain told the officers, "Go out, find this lady, and beat the crap out of her"? I see it as union members avidly disliking her stance of trying to provide rights to immigrants. What am I missing?
    And do you think the union in the OP told it's members "Go out, find these scabs, and beat the crap out of them?"
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And do you think the union in the OP told it's members "Go out, find these scabs, and beat the crap out of them?"
    No. Perhaps they published a list.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And do you think the union in the OP told it's members "Go out, find these scabs, and beat the crap out of them?"
    So, things have to be blatantly overt for you to acknowledge them right? But only so if you don't agree with the argument against the perceived thinking in your case...Look, The union members didn't need, or don't need a set of instructions...Posting the list is enough to ensure that something bad could, or probably would happen.
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