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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yes they often do. but I note, at least at the USPS (which I am an expert on their labor relations) the stewards got paid by the USPS and some of their paid time was their union duties. Dues were not paying for this representation
    such expertise
    while the stewards were likely performing some union activities on official time
    there were likely other costs which were borne by the union/dues paying members
    assistance from union administrative staff, such as union lawyers, is paid from the dues of the union's members
    if the issue was to be decided by an arbitrator, the management-labor contract likely provided for the union to incur one-half of the arbitrator's expenses
    the training (and travel to attend said training) received by the stewards and other union officials, so that they are able to competently represent the bargaining unit members, is paid by the union and/or the union officers themselves
    despite your pretense at possessing expertise in these matters, the reality is the union absorbs a substantial portion of the expense of representing bargaining unit employees. which expense is paid for by the dues of the bargaining unit members
    it needs to be made known that bargaining unit employees who chose to be free riders, and not dues paying members, must also receive the costly union representation that the dues paying members receive from the union. the law requires it
    one would think a former attorney, who holds himself out as an 'expert', would know that
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Do you know what costs union workers their jobs? Non-union workers who will work for less money in unsafe working conditions, in order to fuel those nice big bonuses management awards to itself on a regular basis.
    Please point out a case where this is happening.

    Who is wokring in unsafe working conditions.

    Do you know what decade you are living in right now?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And another member of the Far Right checks in with his opinion. Can you guys just get together and select one spokesman? You are all parroting the same junk from the same anti-union sources.
    Is anybody that answers you on the far right?

    You seem to think so.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    And another member of the Far Right checks in with his opinion. Can you guys just get together and select one spokesman? You are all parroting the same junk from the same anti-union sources.
    By the way, how much more do you really make after paying off the union?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We were discussing the much ballyhoo'd "scabs". Not all posts relate directly rather than indirectly to an OP.
    Not really. We were discussing people working but not paying union fees, but somebody early on called them scabs, although I don't know why.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    such expertise
    while the stewards were likely performing some union activities on official time
    there were likely other costs which were borne by the union/dues paying members
    assistance from union administrative staff, such as union lawyers, is paid from the dues of the union's members
    if the issue was to be decided by an arbitrator, the management-labor contract likely provided for the union to incur one-half of the arbitrator's expenses
    the training (and travel to attend said training) received by the stewards and other union officials, so that they are able to competently represent the bargaining unit members, is paid by the union and/or the union officers themselves
    despite your pretense at possessing expertise in these matters, the reality is the union absorbs a substantial portion of the expense of representing bargaining unit employees. which expense is paid for by the dues of the bargaining unit members
    it needs to be made known that bargaining unit employees who chose to be free riders, and not dues paying members, must also receive the costly union representation that the dues paying members receive from the union. the law requires it
    one would think a former attorney with your level of 'expertise' would know that
    the only times I EVER met a Union lawyer was on a 301 case where a member of the craft was suing both the agency and his union for a failure to represent. I loved it when that happened because the Union attorneys would absolutely fillet the plaintiff. I remember a case where a steward whined about a foreman not writing someone for a violation (the same foreman had written the steward up for that violation earlier that week) and the steward then pissed off the supervisor who fired him. the fired steward claimed the union didn't force the arbitrator to rule in a timely fashion

    the union attorney ripped this guy apart at a deposition, I just sat back and tried to not laugh. I won summary judgment and then crushed the plaintiff's attorney in front of the court of appeals. all due to the work the union attorney did

    EVERY SINGLE case where the Union attorneys were involved were this type of case and every single one of them was thrown out by the court prior to trial.

    I give the APWU, NALC etc credit-their national organizations had some really top lawyers. and I had a great working relationship with the locals presidents.

    Oh BTW I don't have a problem with those non members who utilize union services paying for them. that is different than being a full dues paying member



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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    But you didn't mind enjoying the working conditions and the wages that the union had achieved for you, did you?
    Can you prove the union had anything to do with the wages he was paid or for the safety of his work environment?

    OSHA takes care of safety these days, so the union has nothing to do with that anymore.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Unions are voluntary.

    A) You don't have to work in a shop that's under union contract. That's voluntary.

    B) If you do work in a union shop, it's still voluntary as to whether you have to join. Even in non "right to work" states.

    Myths And Facts About "Right-To-Work" Laws | Research | Media Matters for America

    C) If you've voluntarily chosen to work in a union shop and voluntarily decided not to join the union, the union is still obligated to represent you which costs money. You should be obligated to pay some of that cost.
    I can agree with that. If an employee costs the union money, the employee should pay his way, but please show me how the employee can cost the union money.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Yes and no. You do not have to join a union, and you do not have to take their job. Those two conditions go hand-in-hand.

    There are plenty -- a vast majority, in fact -- of non-union jobs.

    Now if you take a union job without paying the union (as typically all other union members do pay), that is technically theft. I'd be interested to hear your argument how theft is voluntary, at least to the victim.
    What do you mean take their job?

    Since when does the union have jobs?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I'm going to dismiss that as an intellectually dishonest question, to which you already know the answer. I would expect that from some others here, but I think you can do better.
    Try and answer. it will do you good.

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