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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Wrong answer. I think I provided someone else with an explanation above (yeah, see #292).

    Years ago (may still be true today), in some industries -- like construction -- the employer simply calls the union and tells them how many and what type workers they need. The union supplies the bodies (so to speak ).

    Well, not exactly ...

    The union DOES keep a list of available personnel. When an employer calls, they will send over a group that could be potentially hired. HOWEVER ... selection of the employee is the responsibility of the employer ONLY. Otherwise, the union would have a rather significant liability in that they would be responsible for the failure of the person's work performance, theft, incompetence, etc.

    No union is going to take that on when they can't control the work environment.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Is this sort of behavior tolerated under other circumstances in the workplace, without the possibility of a lawsuit or being laid off? You're supposed to get along with co-workers and not divide them or cause them significant amounts of discomfort. I've had co-workers laid off or threatened with being fired for causing so much drama. Other folks doing this sort of thing toward a person of a protected status or subject matter were walking a tight line in causing liability for a lawsuit.

    This is not proper behavior in the workplace and this is the sort of thing we teach teenagers to not do on the job.

    Just because your union sympathies make it awfully tempting to support or engage in this behavior does not make it right or proper in the slightest.
    This is the fallout of divisive conservative legislators, union frustration is a byproduct, not the cause.
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    Unions make up less than 7% of today's workforce in America...Why is that? People don't want them around....
    Middle class jobs make up a smaller percent too, guess people don't want those around either...
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    ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Wrong answer. I think I provided someone else with an explanation above (yeah, see #292).

    Years ago (may still be true today), in some industries -- like construction -- the employer simply calls the union and tells them how many and what type workers they need. The union supplies the bodies (so to speak ).
    I get employed by the employer, not the union. When I become hired, I have *no* obligation to the union. They have no expectation of my money. The mere act of me being hired does not make me a thief.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    This is the fallout of divisive conservative legislators, union frustration is a byproduct, not the cause.

    Middle class jobs make up a smaller percent too, guess people don't want those around either...
    Again, is this ordinarily considered appropriate workplace behavior that would not jeopardize your job? Answer: it's not.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Unions have created a "protection racket" they're no different than the mafia or the street gangs - they're nothing more than thugs in my opinion.

    I worked in a union shop for almost 2 years and you know what I saw? epic laziness, and if we were lucky once every two weeks the union delegates would order a a feast for us on our break.

    Beyond that they did NOTHING for me beyond telling me to work a lot less harder and to minimize my production quotas so I wouldn't "stand out" and set the same standards for the other lazy employees.

    Also, when you're in a union it's damn near impossible to get fired unless you kill someone while drunk or high..

    The union ethics where I worked were ****.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Again, is this ordinarily considered appropriate workplace behavior that would not jeopardize your job? Answer: it's not.
    Let's reverse the rulings that created the hostile environment.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Oh, I don't think people are that hateful.

    Well, most people....


    Says the guy who condones Union Bullying and harassment.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Let's reverse the rulings that created the hostile environment.
    On its own merits, perhaps. Nevertheless, what created that hostile work environment was the union. Just because some want to act like children doesn't mean it should be rewarded.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    See my answer above:
    In other words you want to force people through threat of jail time to give you more money. Sorry but no union is a government.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So if what you are saying is true, those who complain they haven't achieved the success they think they deserve have been failed by their family, schools, community, and government.
    Yes, partially. Individual initiative (will) is a factor, but it isn't the only factor. Luck (genetics and random chance), is also a factor, including whether you are lucky enough to be healthy, smart and physically strong. Many of the characteristics we consider virtues are skills or behaviors that one (if fortunate) learns at an early age, largely by the example of one's family and community. Those characteristics include perseverance, the ability to focus and complete a task, and the ability to reject instant gratification in exchange for a greater reward in the future.

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