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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Despite your son's feelings, no one was hurt, there was no vandalism and no laws were broken even though the union was rejected.
    Correct. Doesn't rule out the intimidation truth is seems so many pro-union people are trying hard to deny.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    Pressure tactics: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers | Fox News



    The last line is bolded for emphasis. These are the tactics that unions use and it's plain wrong. I dare anyone to defend what the union is doing here with a straight face.
    The worlds smallest violin is now playing a very very sad song for these freeloaders who want the benefits of working in a union plant but do not want to pay for them.

    Screw em.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yeah, right

    Pretend that you don't understand the effects unionization have had on compensation all you like. I'll put that in the same category as your insistence that you know the unions intended to people intimidate non-members.
    One of the primary characteristics of the more extreme right wingers is that they deny that others contributed to their success. They think they achieved everything on their own when the truth is that their family, schools, community, and government made them who they are, plus, in many cases, their family's financial wealth, social class, gender and race were factors in their current status.

    Union haters should look at the status of workers in nations where unions are banned or defacto prohibited.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Unions are voluntary.

    A) You don't have to work in a shop that's under union contract. That's voluntary.

    B) If you do work in a union shop, it's still voluntary as to whether you have to join. Even in non "right to work" states.

    http://mediamatters.org/research/201...rk-laws/191810

    C) If you've voluntarily chosen to work in a union shop and voluntarily decided not to join the union, the union is still obligated to represent you which costs money. You should be obligated to pay some of that cost.
    A&B: If it is voluntary, there is no need for the intimidation. Grow up.

    C) Take that to lawmakers. Do not take it out on employees.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Unions are supposed to be voluntary organizations. [...]
    Yes and no. You do not have to join a union, and you do not have to take their job. Those two conditions go hand-in-hand.

    There are plenty -- a vast majority, in fact -- of non-union jobs.

    Now if you take a union job without paying the union (as typically all other union members do pay), that is technically theft. I'd be interested to hear your argument how theft is voluntary, at least to the victim.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Yes and no. You do not have to join a union, and you do not have to take their job. Those two conditions go hand-in-hand.

    Now if you take their job without paying, that is technically theft. I'd be interested to hear your argument how theft is voluntary, at least to the victim.
    Is it the Union's job position, or is it the business owner's job position?
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    One of the primary characteristics of the more extreme right wingers is that they deny that others contributed to their success. They think they achieved everything on their own when the truth is that their family, schools, community, and government made them who they are, plus, in many cases, their family's financial wealth, social class, gender and race were factors in their current status.

    Union haters should look at the status of workers in nations where unions are banned or defacto prohibited.
    So if what you are saying is true, those who complain they haven't achieved the success they think they deserve have been failed by their family, schools, community, and government.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Is it the Union's job position, or is it the business owner's job position?
    I'm going to dismiss that as an intellectually dishonest question, to which you already know the answer. I would expect that from some others here, but I think you can do better.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Yes and no. You do not have to join a union, and you do not have to take their job. Those two conditions go hand-in-hand.

    There are plenty -- a vast majority, in fact -- of non-union jobs.

    Now if you take a union job without paying the union (as typically all other union members do pay), that is technically theft. I'd be interested to hear your argument how theft is voluntary, at least to the victim.
    If it's theft, why haven't they be cited, or even arrested?

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