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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Non sequitur.
    Wow....good retort

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Both sides intimidate. Corporations intimidate when people attempt to unionize the place.... But yes, just because corporations do it doesn't mean that unions should also do it. It's wrong, and shame on the union for engaging in this kind of behavior.
    What you're describing is illegal for companies to do. As a manager, the company I used to work for went through two separate unionization attempts and there are very clear laws about what a company can and cannot do once a unionization attempt is under way. I'd be interested to hear what intimidation companies do that you're referring to.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    tell me more about how all those miners in WVa aren't unionized?

    Hey, how is it working for all those unions up in Detriot? I imagine they must be doing way better than those poor ununionized auto shops down in the South
    It sucks to be undercut. The South did it to the Midwest the same way that freeloaders are doing it to their union counterparts.

    The fallout? The rich get richer and the middle class shrinks.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We were discussing the much ballyhoo'd "scabs". Not all posts relate directly rather than indirectly to an OP.
    Then I suggest you consult a dictionary. Or, you can continue to be wrong

    scab

    noun

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    4. a worker who refuses to join a labor union or to participate in a union strike, who takes a striking worker's place on the job, or the like.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

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    The US Census released a report stating that when cost of living , taxes and non cash benefits were calculated California had the highest poverty rates in the Country.

    Argue with them.
    You're referring to the Supplemental Poverty Measure. That shows that the 7 of 10 states with highest poverty rate are red states.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    My son is an EMT. A union recently tried to organize his company. On multiple occasions someone would show up at his home, wanting to talk to him about voting to approve the effort. He told me he was VERY intimidated, not only by the efforts the union was making, but by the fact they were showing up where he lived.

    They eventually voted to reject the union attempt, but he continues to be really mad at the games they played to try to get the contract. It would seem this is how it works. To suggest all these union tactics aren't about intimidation is absurd.
    Despite your son's feelings, no one was hurt, there was no vandalism and no laws were broken even though the union was rejected.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Any rational analysis of the scabs described in the OP will conclude that they are freeloaders. What is silly and idiotic is your argument.
    Unions are supposed to be voluntary organizations. As a result, Unions cannot feel entitled to receive money from every employee. They certainly should not feel so entitled to this money that they would reduce themselves to public shaming.

    While unions often provide benefits, nowhere is it expected that each employee experience the Union sucking the money from their paycheck.

    One could just as easily argue that the leech is the one who feels that a completely voluntary act needs to be enforced through coercion.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Unions are supposed to be voluntary organizations. As a result, Unions cannot feel entitled to receive money from every employee. They certainly should not feel so entitled to this money that they would reduce themselves to public shaming.

    While unions often provide benefits, nowhere is it expected that each employee experience the Union sucking the money from their paycheck.

    One could just as easily argue that the leech is the one who feels that a completely voluntary act needs to be enforced through coercion.
    The coercion is when the govt puts itself between a company and it's employees by making it illegal for an employer to sign a contract with a union agreeing to only hire union members.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Wow....good retort
    If you apply yourself you'll find that it is an excellent retort

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Unions are supposed to be voluntary organizations. As a result, Unions cannot feel entitled to receive money from every employee. They certainly should not feel so entitled to this money that they would reduce themselves to public shaming.

    While unions often provide benefits, nowhere is it expected that each employee experience the Union sucking the money from their paycheck.

    One could just as easily argue that the leech is the one who feels that a completely voluntary act needs to be enforced through coercion.
    Unions are voluntary.

    A) You don't have to work in a shop that's under union contract. That's voluntary.

    B) If you do work in a union shop, it's still voluntary as to whether you have to join. Even in non "right to work" states.

    http://mediamatters.org/research/201...rk-laws/191810

    C) If you've voluntarily chosen to work in a union shop and voluntarily decided not to join the union, the union is still obligated to represent you which costs money. You should be obligated to pay some of that cost.
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