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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    so suddenly even though the topic was workers that come into a factory or workplace during a strike, because you found yourself in an untenable position you are now shifting to state employees.

    Okay.
    I'll go ahead and let you reread the link in the OP. No apology necessary.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'll be happier if I've increased their standard of living and they pay it forward to the next worker.
    Oh I'm sure the griping, vitriol, and publishing their names for public pressure will just butter them right up.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    "Freeloaders"? Are these people standing around and doing nothing for their paychecks?

    No, anyone not ponying up Union dues is a "free loader " apparently.

    And they deserve to be targeted and harrased

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    If you don't see that what the union did was intimidation, then you don't see clearly at all. You may now post more diversion and incoherent ramblings.
    Yeah, yeah. I know

    When the intentions of the right are pointed out, they are denied, even if there's proof. But when the right claims they know what the unions intentions are, there's no denying it, even if you can't quote any union leader saying they want to intimidate non-union employees.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Oh I'm sure the griping, vitriol, and publishing their names for public pressure will just butter them right up.
    I'm tolerant of public shaming where public shaming is due.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, anyone not ponying up Union dues is a "free loader " apparently.

    And they deserve to be targeted and harrased
    If you're working under a contract that other workers fought for and financially contributed to and are obligated to support you under, you should be paying the same contractual dues. If you don't you're a freeloader, yes.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is a really poor comparison.

    These are names and locations of people listed as "officers" of the union, an inherently positive designation

    The scab list are names and locations of people listed as "scabs" to the union, an inherently negative designation

    Naturally one can assume there's a different reasonable expectation as to how people will react or use such information.

    One would not suggest that the reason a news paper would publish a list of known sex offenders in a neighborhood and why a news paper would publish a list of high school graduates must be for the exact same reason, or that the expectation is for the readers to use the information in the exact same way...so why are you trying to act like the reason for, and the expected reaction to, this information must be exactly the same?

    Similarly, was there any indication from the union that one should use that information to exert pressure upon the officers? Because the story preports that there was such a directive put forward regarding the scab list:



    Now, one could easily debate whether or not such pressure is "harassment"...but a reasonable argument could be made that it is as it's reasonable to suggest it would be "the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group" as it's reasonable to suggest that a person not wanting to be part of a union would find pressure to engage in "solidarity" with the union as "unwanted".

    So it's just entirely unreasonable to attempt to equally compare the information on the SCAB page to the information on the EMAIL US page as it relates to suggesting that the purposes, and the expected or likely responses, to said information.

    I think it would be incorrect to say posting the names on the SCAB page is inherently intimidating. However the claim in the story...that it makes intimidation and harassment EASIER...is absolutely accurate. And given the further encouragement by the union to continue to pressure people on the importance of the union, it's absolutely reasonable to say it at the very least is promoting harassment on the part of the union IF that pressure is unwanted.
    Explaining "the importance of Solidarity and the power of collective bargaining” is neither harrassment nor pressure. Nothing the union or its' leaders have said can be reasonably construed as "promoting harrassment"
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'm tolerant of public shaming where public shaming is due.
    Then the only reason why you should be against employers doing the same is because you aren't one of them. If you want to be shameless, perhaps the most courtesy you could extend is to be completely honest.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I'll go ahead and let you reread the link in the OP. No apology necessary.
    1. We were talking about "scabs", as you called them and

    2. I did re-read the OP. You know what I didn't see? Any reference to state employees.

    no apology necessary

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well I think immedietely jumping to initimidation is a stretch.

    But would you not agree d0gbreath that a concerted effort by multiple union members to continually pressure them about the benefits of being part of a union would concievably be "unwanted" pressure for someone whose expressed their desire NOT to be part of the union, and thus could reasonable be considered an organized effort of harassment?

    I don't think it's a stretch to state that someone whose expressed a desire to NOT be part of the union has no desire to hear about the importance of "solidarity" with said union.
    I have a desire to not hear the whines of right wingers, but there's this thing called Free Speech which prevents my desires from being fulfilled.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Are you implying non union workers could face harassment or their tires being slashed or their homes being vandalized? This has never happened before!
    It did in Nazi Germany with the Nazi's marking and listing Jews.

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