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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    All that harassment is in people's minds. They've seen the early 20th century pictures of union workers with bats in their hands. They know the Jimmy Hoffa story, or at least part of it.

    Let's fast forward: I get hired at say, the GMC truck factory in Arlington Texas. After working the line for a couple of weeks, I'm approached by the UAW steward. I tell him I'll read the brochures and get back to him. After a couple of days he comes back and I tell him that I'm not interested in joining at this time. My name is then listed on the scab page of the website under Upholstery Department, unbeknown to me. What happens then?

    You can play the part of a union journeyman with major seniority in my department. First, I'm not making near what you do because of your seniority. I am however, making what 'Bob' another new hire that joined the union makes.

    Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to get me signed up. Let's add 6 more people to the department. Five are union and one has quit the union. That's 7 Union, and two non. The guy who quit, quit while he was layed-off for 2 years, payed his back dues and quit. He has his reasons. He tells me that the union just rips off the workers. All others are satisfied with being union members.

    Get me to join.

    Or, we can switch places. It doesn't matter to me. My point still stands. The six union guys (minus you) might go for refreshments after work and talk tough about all of the things that they are going to do to me. But, when they waltz in hung-over in the morning, they will do nothing.


    No, just recently we watched a bunch of Union thugs in Michigan reassert the thuggish Union member reputation.

    Right after Michigan chose to go to a right to work State.

    I'm sure you remember.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    This is inappropriate and dangerous.
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    ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Because I would know who I could trust and who I could count on. And who would have my back. Do I want to treat them differently because they are screwing me? You bet your ass.
    Oh Jesus Christ. Grow up, would you? People who aren't in your group aren't going out of their way to screw you over. They are working, providing for themselves and their families, same as the rest of us.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Reading is fundamental . . . .

    . . . . and income taxes were never the criteria anyway:



    apdst score: Fail X2.
    You're right, reading IS fundamental...

    [QUOTE=RedAkston;1063850606]There was nothing misleading about the article, only the rush to attack the source due to a preconceived disposition of the poster (that would be you).


    Really? I have an aunt who is poor and disabled. She hasn't paid taxes in years. Do you wish to retract your statement or are you going to stick with the lie?[/QUOTE
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    As unions continue to lose support with workers, they will continue to try and hold tighter on what little they have left. Such strong arm tactics aren't unusual - years ago when I was a CWA shop steward names of people who did not sign up for picket duty were confronted, pictures of scabs were taken and handed out at the picket line and yes, if possible their cars were targets of "accidents" if possible. Of course I was not told who or what exactly occurred and the union would NEVER sanction such retaliation ....

    There has always been a violent undertone to such tactics which is why picket crosser's are called scabs in the first place. They're just like everyone else with families, kids and bills to pay. Most places do nor require nor benefit from unions these days. It's an archaic labor method that's outlived it's usefulness in most cases. But I will admit there still may be areas where unions could be beneficial - I just don't know of them.
    I was once visiting a friend and having a conversation with her and her new husband. He was telling stories like this based on his experiences and personal observations over several decades of union strike experience. He was quite pleased and proud of it.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, just recently we watched a bunch of Union thugs in Michigan reassert the thuggish Union member reputation.

    Right after Michigan chose to go to a right to work State.

    I'm sure you remember.
    I remember Michigan going to a right to work state. I don't remember hearing about any violence.

    You got a link?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    By taking advantage of the protections and benefits unions offer all employees without paying for them.

    Scabs are parasites.
    Then be happy for them that you increased their standard of living.

    You're not entitled to everyone's full cooperation.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Reading is fundamental . . . . and income taxes were never the criteria anyway [...]
    You're right, reading IS fundamental...

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    [...] Really? I have an aunt who is poor and disabled. She hasn't paid taxes in years. Do you wish to retract your statement [...] ?
    And that supports your claim about income taxes how?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Oh, I agree completely. I'm not sitting here largely lamenting for the people on the scab list.

    More just flabbergasted by certain posts who claim that it's a misrepresentation to say that this makes it easier to harass these people or acting like there would be no harassment done... [...]
    Oh, I think that's mostly a strawman, but you're welcome to post any quotes to that effect.

    What is a misrepresentation is many/most conservative posts trying to make this one incident worse than it is by associating it with other alleged or imagined events. If people could discuss something without throwing in the kitchen sink then you wouldn't have all these hysterical rants to debunk (which only derails the thread).

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    I wasn't actually suggesting unions are stupid, I believe they're more valuable now than any time in the last few decades as the shift of profits has benefited the top percentages and corporations rather than the average household.

    If workers are seeking to have the benefits of others having paid and still paying dues, they should be paying them too. Otherwise you're undercutting the very tool that provided you with a safe, stable, and competitively paying job.
    Actually they aren't. They are seeking the benefits that those others found so awful that they walked off the job, remember?

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