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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    It is not a threat of anything but being criticized, shunned and embarrassed. Most other activities against a scab would be illegal.

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    I said "implied threat". Scabs aren't embarassed and most couldn't care less if their shunned - they don't stick around long after the strike anyway and they know that.... and it's only illegal if they catch someone flattening a scabs tires at home, or spray painting a rat on the side of their house..... etc.etc.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    This is why people suggest it makes it easier to target them for harassment and why people think harassment may happen.

    Definition for Harassment from Merriam-webster

    "to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct."

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I don't support vandalism, threats or violence against scabs, but there is nothing wrong with criticizing, shunning and embarrassing them.
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    Do I want to treat them differently because they are screwing me? You bet your ass.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Scabs should be treated with the contempt they deserve.
    Is anyone going to tell me that showing people "contempt", attempting to criticize, shun, and embaress them, and treating them like someone who is "screwing" you isn't going to creating an unpleasent or hostile situation and isn't being done via verbal contact?

    If you think they have the harassment "coming to them" then so be it, but I hope some posters stop acting like it's entirely unreasonable to think this makes it easier for people to harass them

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I feel bad about people who are so desperately poor that they would take a scab job despite their own ethics. That is why I would never support doing anything more than criticizing, shunning or embarrassing them. Unfortunately, too many working people these days are not sufficiently familiar with history, the concept of worker solidarity and the importance of unions that there are far too many people willing to stab their fellow workers in the back by being a scab.
    There may be a possibility that some people are more concerned about taking care of their families. I have solidarity with my fellow managers (non-union) but when it comes to feeding and clothing my kids, or putting a roof over their heads, solidarity with other adults who aren't responsible for my kids' well being isn't so important.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I said "implied threat". Scabs aren't embarassed and most couldn't care less if their shunned - they don't stick around long after the strike anyway and they know that.... and it's only illegal if they catch someone flattening a scabs tires at home, or spray painting a rat on the side of their house..... etc.etc.
    Your posts are very imaginative

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    "Criticize, shun and embarrass".

    Sounds like something that is happening in my kids' high school as I type this.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    "Distinction without a difference

    A distinction without a difference is a type of logical fallacy where an author or speaker attempts to describe a distinction between two things even though there is, in fact, no actual difference.[1] It is particularly used when a word or phrase has connotations associated with it that one party to an argument prefers to avoid."

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    That's nice and all. You know how to quote wikipedia. Next time try to learn how to quote it in a way that actually is applicable.

    Unfortunatley for you, there IS a substantial difference between actually PROVIDING something and causing someone to provide something.

    If I tell friend x to give friend y a dollar....it's incorrect to say that I provided the dollar to friend y. Friend x provided the dollar. I just convinced him to provide it.

    The union is not providing the wages. They're not providing the health care. They're not providing the safety equipment. The employer is. That's fact. Simple, unquestionable, fact no matter how much you want to insult people as a means of suggesting otherwise (how about you go google that fallacy. I'm sure you won't bother). The union may convince the employer to provide it, but it's still the employer providing it.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    None of that is the case with regards to the issue posted in the OP.
    I take it as an implied threat so it's 100% the case.

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    In fact you have provided no evidence showing that what you hypothesize above has ever happened anywhere, at least as far as union-sponsored activity is concerned. Creating stuff out of thin air is called a strawman, and is an invalid form of debate (and, as such, is a failure).
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well I think immedietely jumping to initimidation is a stretch.

    But would you not agree d0gbreath that a concerted effort by multiple union members to continually pressure them about the benefits of being part of a union would concievably be "unwanted" pressure for someone whose expressed their desire NOT to be part of the union, and thus could reasonable be considered an organized effort of harassment?

    I don't think it's a stretch to state that someone whose expressed a desire to NOT be part of the union has no desire to hear about the importance of "solidarity" with said union.
    Politicians get my name and address from the registrar of voters and pressure me to vote for them. They call me also.

    People do not have a right to be ignorant or kept away from people with opinions or information. Harassment on the job is illegal and threats, stalking etc are also illegal.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Can't bypass the censor, use your imagination.

    I would. But when would it stop? It doesn't seem right to have people be subjected to this. JMO.
    This is what you typed:

    I do work for a very large corporation as a middle-tier manager and I'd be pretty bull**** <snip>
    Well, you'd be pretty anyway.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Politicians get my name and address from the registrar of voters and pressure me to vote for them. They call me also.
    And if that's unwanted I'd argue that it's a kind of harassment. ESPECIALLY if you've intimated to them you don't want to vote. It may not be legal harassment, just like this may not be legal harassment, but it's harassment none the less.

    If you stated you don't want to vote this election and the GOP got together and put together a "unpatroitic non-voter list" with names and addresses of people with encouragement for party members to go forth and inform you about the importance of patriotism and the benefits of voting...yeah, I'd say they're advocating for a systematic act of harassment against you.

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