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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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Fiddytree said:
That's crap, mate. I benefit from the union's activity, but that doesn't make my presence thievery [...]
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This defies comprehension. You receive a benefit that others routinely pay for, but you refuse to pay for. In what alternate dimension is that not thievery?
 
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sangha said:
7 of 10 states with highest poverty rate are red states according to those #'s

List of U.S. states by poverty rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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California's poverty is absolutely relevant when your comparing Liberal and Conservative principles.

That's because you have a State, located on the border with a comparable population to compare it to. A Red State ( Texas ) thats led the Nation in job creation for years running, and a State that's taken in 2 million Californians and 200 Californian Business.

California is a Liberal State, with a Progressive Governor and Legislature implementing progressive economic principles and it shows.

Their total debt is higher than any other State in the Nation but Jerry Brown has a solution. To drive out Californias tax base with tax increases and attacks on wealth creation.

So we should make a comparison form one Political ideology to the other instead of posting list without context.
 
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Karl said:
This defies comprehension. You receive a benefit that others routinely pay for, but you refuse to pay for. In what alternate dimension is that not thievery?
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Ever heard of welfare, SNAP, WIC, etc... ?
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Unions have created a "protection racket" they're no different than the mafia or the street gangs - they're nothing more than thugs in my opinion.

I worked in a union shop for almost 2 years and you know what I saw? epic laziness, and if we were lucky once every two weeks the union delegates would order a a feast for us on our break.

Beyond that they did NOTHING for me beyond telling me to work a lot less harder and to minimize my production quotas so I wouldn't "stand out" and set the same standards for the other lazy employees.

Also, when you're in a union it's damn near impossible to get fired unless you kill someone while drunk or high..

The union ethics where I worked were ****.
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It is wrong to assume that your one experience with a union can be applied to all unions.

There have been, and there are, some bad unions. But unions in general are democratic organizations of workers using the power of their numbers to improve their work situation and compensation. They are protected by the first amendment's right to freedom of speech, pres and to peacefully assemble. As with other democratic institutions, unions are only as good as their members make them be. Most unions do not result in lazy workers, and workers can collectively agree to be lazy without a union.
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Ever heard of welfare, SNAP, WIC, etc... ?
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Ever hear of need? Your dishonest argument was dismissed in post #325; please keep up so we don't waste time repeating things for you.
 
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Karl said:
Ever hear of need? Your dishonest argument was dismissed in post #325; please keep up so we don't waste time repeating things for you.
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And your need of finding someone else to fight for what you cannot is borish...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Ever heard of welfare, SNAP, WIC, etc... ?
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All created by the people through a (representational) democratic process and intended to be aid to those without financial resources. Not the same.
 
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Hard Truth said:
All created by the people through a (representational) democratic process and intended to be aid to those without financial resources. Not the same.
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Try again. A union is nothing more than something "created by the people through a (representational) democratic process and intended to be aid to those without" the balls to stand up for themselves and are only effective in non-right to work states...
 
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Karl said:
There is a difference between needing assistance and simply taking it. Again, that should be obvious to anyone interested in an honest discussion.
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How does one "take" assistance that they never asked for?
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Try again. A union is nothing more than something "created by the people through a (representational) democratic process and intended to be aid to those without" the balls to stand up for themselves and are only effective in non-right to work states...
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We've somehow flipped the narrative and now union members have gone from brutish thugs to cowards in a matter of posts.

If you throw enough negative perceptions at union members eventually something will stick, right?
 
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Unrepresented said:
We've somehow flipped the narrative and now union members have gone from brutish thugs to cowards in a matter of posts.

If you throw enough negative perceptions at union members eventually something will stick, right?
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I have been on both sides of union work, and I prefer the non-union environments. And yes, when you have a "group" hell bent on placing pressure on another group to conform, they are both thugs and cowards too scared to stand on their own...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
I have been on both sides of union work, and I prefer the non-union environments. And yes, when you have a "group" hell bent on placing pressure on another group to conform, they are both thugs and cowards too scared to stand on their own...
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Do you consider corporations "thugs and cowards" for being "hell bent on placing pressure" on employees to keep wages low because each supervisor, manager, executive, etc won't stand on their own?
 
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Unrepresented said:
Do you consider corporations "thugs and cowards" for being "hell bent on placing pressure" on employees to keep wages low because each supervisor, manager, executive, etc won't stand on their own?
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No one in a corporation forces someone to join them for an employment opportunity...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Please, in a closed shop, it is just that. CLOSED...
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"FACT: Workers In States Without Right-To-Work Laws Are Not Forced Into Unions
Economist Dean Baker: "Workers At Any Workplace Always Have The Option As To Whether Or Not To Join A Union."In a 2011 post for the Center for Economic and Policy Research, economist Dean Baker pointed out that workers always have a choice whether to work for a union, whether or not their state has passed right-to-work laws."

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/12/12/myths-and-facts-about-right-to-work-laws/191810
 
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Unrepresented said:
"FACT: Workers In States Without Right-To-Work Laws Are Not Forced Into Unions
Economist Dean Baker: "Workers At Any Workplace Always Have The Option As To Whether Or Not To Join A Union."In a 2011 post for the Center for Economic and Policy Research, economist Dean Baker pointed out that workers always have a choice whether to work for a union, whether or not their state has passed right-to-work laws."

Myths And Facts About "Right-To-Work" Laws | Research | Media Matters for America
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Would you please define a CLOSED shop rather than trying to regurgitate something you think you understand from MediaDoesNotMatters...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Try again. A union is nothing more than something "created by the people through a (representational) democratic process and intended to be aid to those without" the balls to stand up for themselves and are only effective in non-right to work states...
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Employers have fired, blacklisted, beaten and killed many workers who stood up for themselves. There is nothing cowardly or wrong with working with others to achieve a goal, that is why we have governments, organizations and armies. Businesses have their own organizations and work together on their mutual goals all the time.
 
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Hard Truth said:
Employers have fired, blacklisted, beaten and killed many workers who stood up for themselves. There is nothing cowardly or wrong with working with others to achieve a goal, that is why we have governments, organizations and armies. Businesses have their own organizations and work together on their mutual goals all the time.
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I could flip many of your words, but I'm too lazy to do so this late...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Okay, you're correct, they're now called "union shops"...
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No.

"Union shops" are not the same as "closed shops."

And further they're not called "union shops" now because:

"the Union Shop was also deemed to be illegal. The Supreme Court in "Pattern Makers v. NLRB", 473 U.S. 95 (1985)"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_shop
 
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Unrepresented said:
Do you consider corporations "thugs and cowards" for being "hell bent on placing pressure" on employees to keep wages low because each supervisor, manager, executive, etc won't stand on their own?
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What?

Corporations, or companies have one....repeat one mission....make money for their owners, and or shareholders

Not to employ people

Not to provide benefits

To garner as much profit as possible

Now most good ones pay decent wages, and good benefits because that attracts the best workers who in turn keep the profits rolling

I pay enough to attract and retain the best I can get.....and my bottom line shows it
 
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Unrepresented said:
No.

"Union shops" are not the same as "closed shops."

And further they're not called "union shops" now because:

"the Union Shop was also deemed to be illegal. The Supreme Court in "Pattern Makers v. NLRB", 473 U.S. 95 (1985)"

Union shop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Try reading something other than that with which you agree...
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Try reading something other than that with which you agree...
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I don't consider wikipedia to have a massive liberal bias. I'm just google searching to provide a source.
 
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