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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Solyndra only demonstrated how people with powerful positions in government believe they can operate like experienced business people, despite not having any experience or knowledge of any industry whatsoever. It should stand as a monument to government interference and ignorance in the marketplace.
    solyndra did nothing different that the zillion other companies that got the grants as well. They were just politicized. That is the only difference. Politicized in a twofer gain in that the GOP could bitch about Obama and also felate the oil companies that feed them.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Thats a bit inaccurate. Solyndra went under because the price of polysilicon collapse due to increase manufacture of it, primarily in the US. Solyndra's design, while more expensive, maximizes output while using much less polysilicon as traditional flat panels.

    So if their business plan was designed that a raw material would always remain exorbitantly high and relied on that to hold on firm to market share, it was not a good business plan at all.
    Of course there should be some flex in your expectations of your material goods but being held responsible for a collapse... that's not something that business plans generally can predict.

    Here's a Forbes article on the chinese dumping that hurt solyndra

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    solyndra did nothing different that the zillion other companies that got the grants as well. They were just politicized. That is the only difference. Politicized in a twofer gain in that the GOP could bitch about Obama and also felate the oil companies that feed them.
    I think you are mistaken as to the issue. The problem with Solyndra is that it is an example of how A) governments are lousy investment capitalists from an ROI perspective and B) that is not least because they tend to give money to their friends.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Of course there should be some flex in your expectations of your material goods but being held responsible for a collapse... that's not something that business plans generally can predict.

    Here's a Forbes article on the chinese dumping that hurt solyndra

    Are you saying cost fluctuations in raw materials aren't something that business plans should reflect?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    solyndra did nothing different that the zillion other companies that got the grants as well. They were just politicized. That is the only difference. Politicized in a twofer gain in that the GOP could bitch about Obama and also felate the oil companies that feed them.
    A zillion other companies? Then the names of these companies should be made public and explained how giving them public money has benefited the taxpayer. Is Barack Obama too modest to pint out his zillions of business successes?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Of course there should be some flex in your expectations of your material goods but being held responsible for a collapse... that's not something that business plans generally can predict.

    Here's a Forbes article on the chinese dumping that hurt solyndra

    All this seems political as well. There was no need for the US government to enter the solar business.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think you are mistaken as to the issue. The problem with Solyndra is that it is an example of how A) governments are lousy investment capitalists from an ROI perspective and B) that is not least because they tend to give money to their friends.
    while i cannot speak for all governments, the federal financing program i spent my career within helped launch the likes of AOL, FedEx, Nike, Intel, Winnebago, and Ben & Jerry's
    there were a lot of failures, too. and i often wonder how many applications we declined that could have been potential major successes if we only had a better insight into their prospects
    in the 80's Erskine Bowles commissioned an audit of this federal business lender, SBA. in terms of tax revenues from the businesses and their additional employees, those who were working only because of the provided government financing, that agency was a net revenue generator
    when i began my career, i was a large "L" Libertarian, opposed to government intervention in most things. when i ended my career i had become a democratic socialist, after observing first-hand how well run government can provide widespread positive impact for huge numbers of our citizens

    so, no, i would want you to show us proof that those in government tend to fund their friends
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    while i cannot speak for all governments, the federal financing program i spent my career within helped launch the likes of AOL, FedEx, Nike, Intel, Winnebago, and Ben & Jerry's
    there were a lot of failures, too. and i often wonder how many applications we declined that could have been potential major successes if we only had a better insight into their prospects
    Hooray! Great Idea! Free Money that comes from Nowhere!

    More seriously, having interacted with a few notable names doesn't really change the fact that yes, in fact, government is an awful investment capitalist, as it response to political, rather than economic incentives. If this wasn't correct - if government was indeed an excellent investment capitalist, if she could indeed direct innovation and allocate resources well, then Socialism would work instead of turning every time into an impoverished failure that its' supporters pretend didn't happen.

    In the 80's Erskine Bowles commissioned an audit of this federal business lender, SBA. in terms of tax revenues from the businesses and their additional employees, those who were working only because of the provided government financing, that agency was a net revenue generator
    when i began my career, i was a large "L" Libertarian, opposed to government intervention in most things. when i ended my career i had become a democratic socialist, after observing first-hand how well run government can provide widespread positive impact for huge numbers of our citizens
    yeah? And how many times did your department have to shut down because you'd invested badly? What was your departments average annual profit during the time you were there?

    so, no, i would want you to show us proof that those in government tend to fund their friends
    It's not exactly rocket surgery.

    ...Abstract
    This paper investigates the relation between corporate political connections and government investment. We study various forms of political influence, ranging from passive connections between firms and politicians, such as those based on politicians’ voting districts, to active forms, such as lobbying, campaign contributions, and employment of connected directors. Using hand-collected data on firm applications for TARP funds, we find that politically connected firms are more likely to be funded, controlling for other characteristics. Yet investments in politically connected firms underperform those in unconnected firms. Overall, we show that connections between firms and regulators are associated with distortions in investment efficiency....
    Why do you think companies invest in congresscritters and the like? It's not because they are just civic minded political junkies who love the cut and spar of debate - they expect (and get) a return on investment.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A zillion other companies? Then the names of these companies should be made public and explained how giving them public money has benefited the taxpayer. Is Barack Obama too modest to pint out his zillions of business successes?
    The government isn't "in the business". It's a guaranteed DOE business loan. The government doesn't own or run anything of the business. They've been giving these business loan guarantees to the nuclear industry for decades which has a 50% loan fail rate according to a 2003 CBO study. There was no complaining then.

    Here's just the current DOE business loan portfolio and their recipients. $32.4 billion right now.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Most places do nor require nor benefit from unions these days. It's an archaic labor method that's outlived it's usefulness in most cases.
    I understand this viewpoint but I think it fails to recognize that labor unions are as much a part of any capitalist society as large employers. If you agree that allowing markets to operate freely is the best, most efficient, most just way of organizing an economy, then you also have to accept the fact that folks who choose to become wage-earners have the right and ability to organize and negotiate as a group since they are "selling" their labor in a free marketplace.

    That said, it is true that most of the abuses and reasons for organized labor's existence have largely become things of the past, but that does not mean that we don't need unions anymore or that we don't benefit from their existence. In fact, the threat of a union forming is one factor that keeps most companies (and as an HR professional I can tell you this first-hand) from attempting to exploit their employees. If unions' rights (or the ability to bargain collectively in general) were to be weakened too much, it would open the door for past patterns of abuse and exploitation to occur again.

    We've come a long way since the intense labor battles that went on for about 80 years or so before the government finally stepped in and forced everyone to stop killing each other over labor disputes. I think the viewpoint I've quoted above could actually be dangerous because it leads people to believe that unions are detrimental, useless organizations that we should get rid of altogether.
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