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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    If by competitive market you mean slave/prison and child labor... what labor can compete? This is what you want us to compete with. Such ****ed up methods isn't competing, it's beyond cheating.

    I want the world's standards to rise. While you want our standards to drop to the worst possible levels the world can offer and call it "competing".
    Which 'slave/prison and child labor' countries are you referring to, and what evidence can you offer? World living standards are rising, and have been for many years.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Which 'slave/prison and child labor' countries are you referring to, and what evidence can you offer? World living standards are rising, and have been for many years.
    Laogai

    Then of course Foxconn putting up fences for their dormitory workers to keep them in the compound and then putting up nets to catch the depressed jumpers.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Laogai Then of course Foxconn putting up fences for their dormitory workers to keep them in the compound and then putting up nets to catch the depressed jumpers.
    And you see a lot of imports coming from Laogai? Yes, I read of Foxconn and they have companies all over the world with another coming to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, as well as putting $10 million into R&D at Carnegie Mellon University. Here's an article regarding that investment. Things are slowly changing from Mao's Communist China. Foxconn Sends a Manufacturing Message with New Pennsylvania Plant | Brookings Institution

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And you see a lot of imports coming from Laogai? Yes, I read of Foxconn and they have companies all over the world with another coming to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, as well as putting $10 million into R&D at Carnegie Mellon University. Here's an article regarding that investment. Things are slowly changing from Mao's Communist China. Foxconn Sends a Manufacturing Message with New Pennsylvania Plant | Brookings Institution
    Yeah. They've been changing at our expense for quite some time. Time for OUR government to consider OUR economic concerns first and foremost.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    In spite of. Not because of. Without these free trade policies our meagerly growing economy would be an exploding economy. Ask anyone we are supposedly "free trading" with that we are in massive trade deficits with because of their economically protectionist policies such as trade barriers of imports and currency manipulation.
    I'm not saying free trade agreements have been universally great for our country across the board, but when has protectionism ever produced an exploding economy? When has an economic superpower abruptly turned protectionist and enjoyed an exploding economy thereafter?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I'm not saying free trade agreements have been universally great for our country across the board, but when has protectionism ever produced an exploding economy? When has an economic superpower abruptly turned protectionist and enjoyed an exploding economy thereafter?
    Since we've boosted trade with China we've adopted free trade while they've opted for protectionism. They put tariffs on US goods like cars coming into their country and then dump goods on us of items that are not only crap but destroy an economic sector for a while.

    This is what happened o Solyndra. They had a solid business plan where the production of solar panels were based on X amount of watts created per x amount of dollars. China flooded the market with solar panels that were predominantly garbage but it drove the price per watt down way below Solyndra's business plan which not only killed them but really set back the sector hard as their trash solar panels then were predominantly flawed but the economic damage had been done.

    But back to your point, we shouldn't cheat like china does with dumping and that ****ing currency manipulation they've been illegally doing forever but tariff their goods at least until they stop cheating with these methods. We looked the other way and went free trade and along with cheating, China went protectionism and their economy exploded.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yeah. They've been changing at our expense for quite some time. Time for OUR government to consider OUR economic concerns first and foremost.
    Yes, they have been changing and will continue to change as people become better educated and more economically sophisticated. Would you have countries put up trade barriers in the hope of changing working conditions in other countries?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Since we've boosted trade with China we've adopted free trade while they've opted for protectionism. They put tariffs on US goods like cars coming into their country and then dump goods on us of items that are not only crap but destroy an economic sector for a while.

    This is what happened o Solyndra. They had a solid business plan where the production of solar panels were based on X amount of watts created per x amount of dollars. China flooded the market with solar panels that were predominantly garbage but it drove the price per watt down way below Solyndra's business plan which not only killed them but really set back the sector hard as their trash solar panels then were predominantly flawed but the economic damage had been done.

    But back to your point, we shouldn't cheat like china does with dumping and that ****ing currency manipulation they've been illegally doing forever but tariff their goods at least until they stop cheating with these methods. We looked the other way and went free trade and along with cheating, China went protectionism and their economy exploded.
    Solyndra only demonstrated how people with powerful positions in government believe they can operate like experienced business people, despite not having any experience or knowledge of any industry whatsoever. It should stand as a monument to government interference and ignorance in the marketplace.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    This is what happened o Solyndra. They had a solid business plan where the production of solar panels were based on X amount of watts created per x amount of dollars. China flooded the market with solar panels that were predominantly garbage but it drove the price per watt down way below Solyndra's business plan which not only killed them but really set back the sector hard as their trash solar panels then were predominantly flawed but the economic damage had been done.
    Thats a bit inaccurate. Solyndra went under because the price of polysilicon collapse due to increase manufacture of it, primarily in the US. Solyndra's design, while more expensive, maximizes output while using much less polysilicon as traditional flat panels.

    So if their business plan was designed that a raw material would always remain exorbitantly high and relied on that to hold on firm to market share, it was not a good business plan at all.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, they have been changing and will continue to change as people become better educated and more economically sophisticated. Would you have countries put up trade barriers in the hope of changing working conditions in other countries?
    The primary goal of tariffs is to not gain advantage in the trade with other countries but to mitigate the loss created by what can be considered cheating methods of the trading partner. So no, not to engineer change of another country but to tariff your trade partner to the level that you don't tariff them out of trade but levels the cost to give your labor a fair chance. Germany does this with what's called the VAT tax or Value Added Tax.

    If a country does change to lower the tariff of their goods exported to us... so be it. Not our goal.
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