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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

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    There will be higher labor costs. And lower shipping costs. What you are saying is that this world cannot sustainably live without slave(ish) labor. I disagree.
    Those who use overpriced labor are ultimately going to fail when competing with those who use underpriced or properly priced labor. American Labor-at unskilled levels is greatly overpriced



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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Those who use overpriced labor are ultimately going to fail when competing with those who use underpriced or properly priced labor. American Labor-at unskilled levels is greatly overpriced
    I disagree that our unskilled laborers are overpriced here. We have basic education and can read and write unlike the bulk of the third worlders out there. Doesn't sound like much but it is massive advantage in the field. I see it in the plumbing industry watching Mexican plumbers come in to our store vs American ones and many of the Mexican plumbers barely can even write their name (if they can), do basic math or, most importantly, express wtf it is they want. Communication skills are often beyond terrible. American unskilled labor can jump into basically any job and work it. From cashier to construction to whatever due to having some standard education.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I disagree that our unskilled laborers are overpriced here. We have basic education and can read and write unlike the bulk of the third worlders out there. Doesn't sound like much but it is massive advantage in the field. I see it in the plumbing industry watching Mexican plumbers come in to our store vs American ones and many of the Mexican plumbers barely can even write their name (if they can), do basic math or, most importantly, express wtf it is they want. Communication skills are often beyond terrible. American unskilled labor can jump into basically any job and work it. From cashier to construction to whatever due to having some standard education.
    very interesting. but I cannot agree with that



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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

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    very interesting. but I cannot agree with that
    IMO... there is a honey spot balance point where a society can cover the costs of the building, manufacturing and maintenance of it's own self.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    IMO... there is a honey spot balance point where a society can cover the costs of the building, manufacturing and maintenance of it's own self.
    I'll have to give that some thought



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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Demand is the push back.
    It doesn't "push back" against union cost hikers, it gets up and leaves and shops elsewhere. Which is one of the main reasons union membership has declined and declined in the private sector and flocked to the public sector (where demand can't push back or get up and shop elsewhere).

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It doesn't "push back" against union cost hikers, it gets up and leaves and shops elsewhere. Which is one of the main reasons union membership has declined and declined in the private sector and flocked to the public sector (where demand can't push back or get up and shop elsewhere).
    Demand does push back against what it doesn't want. you are right... if it doesn't want that product it will shop elsewhere. My issue is the opening of the floodgates to where we feel that it's fine to shop child/slave/prison labor products on the same plateau of ethically produced products and knock down any barriers that expedite that.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Demand does push back against what it doesn't want. you are right... if it doesn't want that product it will shop elsewhere. My issue is the opening of the floodgates to where we feel that it's fine to shop child/slave/prison labor products on the same plateau of ethically produced products and knock down any barriers that expedite that.
    Slippery slope fallacy, and not even related to what unions or their collective bargaining agreements do. The abuse is already prohibited by federal and state laws. Employers are not dragged through repeated collective bargaining negotiations every 2-3 years to make sure they aren't employing slave/prison/child labor. Unions serve no purpose related to that these days. They are not guardians against abuse, they are self-serving labor cartels.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Slippery slope fallacy, and not even related to what unions or their collective bargaining agreements do. The abuse is already prohibited by federal and state laws. Employers are not dragged through repeated collective bargaining negotiations every 2-3 years to make sure they aren't employing slave/prison/child labor. Unions serve no purpose related to that these days. They are not guardians against abuse, they are self-serving labor cartels.
    What a straw man argument fallacy. I never said unions were bargaining "to make sure they aren't employing slave/prison/child labor." THey are bargaining for their members' benefits. Not foreign policy. OUr goverment, when signing free trade agreements, is essentially dropping barriers to those countries' labor and environmental practices. I have no idea where in the hell you came up with all that garbage in your post but it wasn't from me.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    What a straw man argument fallacy. I never said unions were bargaining "to make sure they aren't employing slave/prison/child labor." THey are bargaining for their members' benefits. Not foreign policy. OUr goverment, when signing free trade agreements, is essentially dropping barriers to those countries' labor and environmental practices. I have no idea where in the hell you came up with all that garbage in your post but it wasn't from me.
    Well I'm not sure where this became about free trade agreements. The conversation seemed like it was about unions.

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