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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    No, it doesn't... in fact it falls far outside conventional wisdom. You should read that link too.
    You should stop assuming that because people disagree with your opinions their uninformed. I read your link.

    Nothing in the link suggests the Union pays the workers wage instead of the employer

    Nothing in the link suggest the Union pays for an provides additional training instead of the employer

    Nothing in the link suggests that the Union pays for the health care plans instead of the employer

    Nothing in the link suggests the Union pays for safety improvements made to the work place instead of the employer

    Nothing in the link suggests the Union pays for various types of paid leave instead of the employer

    Please quote me specifically WHERE in your link you're claiming that it shows that the UNION, rather than the employer, PROVIDES the various services and benefits such as pay, health care, training, safety equipment, etc. If you can actually show me that and indicate that I've apparently misread I'll be happy to admit my error.

    As I said, it's accurate to say that the Union at times may negotiate for the various things to happen, but it's accurate to say that ultimately it is the employer that is providing the benefit in question.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Interesting. So what was the union's motivation for posting those names on their website?
    I don't think he's questioning what is or isn't the unions motivation. I think he's questioning whether or not anyone will actually DO anything with said names.

    Some dumbass may make a blog urging people that they need to "take back their freedom" from the government. That doesn't inherently mean there WILL be people actually taking up arms to "take back their freedom".

    Intent does not inherently = action.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't think he's questioning what is or isn't the unions motivation. I think he's questioning whether or not anyone will actually DO anything with said names.

    Some dumbass may make a blog urging people that they need to "take back their freedom" from the government. That doesn't inherently mean there WILL be people actually taking up arms to "take back their freedom".

    Intent does not inherently = action.
    I understand all that. Given his experience in unions I was curious what his take on "why the post the names" is.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I can hardly keep up with the misinformation in this thread:
    You've apparently never been part of a union. Interesting since you seem to defend their despicable tactics vigorously enough. There are many different definitions and proported origins and etymology of the word "scab" but colloquially clownboy is correct as I've heard reference to picking off scabs on strike duty myself. You'll find there are many different variants of terms and how they are used in real life versus in books. For example:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    Irwin, Jones, McGovern (2008) believe that the term 'scab' is part of a larger metaphor involving strikes. They argue that the picket line is symbolic of a wound and those who break its borders to return to work are the scabs who bond that wound. Others have argued that the word is not a part of a larger metaphor but, rather, originates from the old-fashioned English insult, "scab."
    Strike action - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Not surprisingly different from what you posted.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Just what would be a justifiable reason to publish the names and area of employment of those who aren't in the unions?
    Why wouldn't you publish it? If I'm a union member, I'd like to know which of my co-workers was out to screw me.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I understand all that. Given his experience in unions I was curious what his take on "why the post the names" is.
    Ah. My apologies. I thought it was more a rhetorical question (with an assumption already present as to the "why") as opposed to honest. My bad.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I can hardly keep up with the misinformation in this thread:
    Wow, a union man who never listened to Woody Guthrie. Now that's a rarity.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Why wouldn't you publish it? If I'm a union member, I'd like to know which of my co-workers was out to screw me.
    Why? How does this knowledge help you in any way?

    Do you want it simply to know? Or do you want it to treat them in a different manner because they're "screwing you" as you put it?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Interesting. So what was the union's motivation for posting those names on their website?
    It says in the OP link that it is so that their union co-workers can explain to them how wonderful solidarity is, and try to encourage them to sign up.

    Of course, everyone goes immediately off the rails and assumes persecution of the listed.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You should stop assuming that because people disagree with your opinions their uninformed. I read your link.

    Nothing in the link suggests the Union pays the workers wage instead of the employer

    Nothing in the link suggest the Union pays for an provides additional training instead of the employer

    Nothing in the link suggests that the Union pays for the health care plans instead of the employer

    Nothing in the link suggests the Union pays for safety improvements made to the work place instead of the employer

    Nothing in the link suggests the Union pays for various types of paid leave instead of the employer

    Please quote me specifically WHERE in your link you're claiming that it shows that the UNION, rather than the employer, PROVIDES the various services and benefits such as pay, health care, training, safety equipment, etc. If you can actually show me that and indicate that I've apparently misread I'll be happy to admit my error.

    As I said, it's accurate to say that the Union at times may negotiate for the various things to happen, but it's accurate to say that ultimately it is the employer that is providing the benefit in question.
    Except, of course, that the reason the employer does all of these things is because of the union. No union and all industry becomes like a giant Walmart store, where employees are screwed at every opportunity, because the employer knows that if one guy thinks he isn't being treated fairly, they can always find somebody else. I understand this philosophy has great appeal for the Far Right, who have never given a damn about working stiffs.
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