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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Enough of yer "oh you poor dear" routine okay Great King Rat.

    Exactly where are you coming from and going to with calling posts "flaccid"?

    And then there's the "WiFi hotspot from under the bridge" meme.
    From which right-wing hotspot did you pick that up?

    As for Unions and how they've bettered all of the lives of Americans, when will you be giving up yer weekends off, 40-hour weeks,
    paid vacations, safety regs and protection against sexual harassment of the boss?

    How about time off for babies to both female and male workers--I assume yer a "Family Values" kind of a guy.

    And I'm quite sure you long for the days of Monopolies and Trusts before the Great Progress--ive Republican
    President Theodore Roosevelt--oh for the many reasons he's on Mount Rushmore .
    Oh you poor dear! You were so concerned about the flaccid nature of Sangha's "contributions" that you have arrived a second time to fluff some more? Hardly requires me to quelle surprise then, owing to your shared berth and WiFi signal from underneath the bridge now is it? Poor dear.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

    Quote Originally Posted by Great King Rat View Post
    While I agree with many of those sentiments, let's not lump ALL unions together with the most obvious and historically documented ones that deserve derision and serious dismantling. I saw the Teamsters were mentioned earlier in the thread. Given their history, your description certainly is fitting with regard to them IMO.
    There might be good unions, certainly, but it would likely be the smaller ones. While Unions complain about "Big Business" it is the Unions who are really Big Business. If other businesses behaved in the same way big unions do they'd be charged under antitrust laws, as well as others, rather than getting any public sympathy.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you deny that public sector unions don't drive up the costs to taxpayers. what about crap like Davis-Bacon or union controlled municipalities that have "prevailing wage" requirements in their contracts?
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Private companies can't disclose why a person was dismissed. Your last part about competing in terms of wages and/or job performance is nonsense. The motive is to fill a spot with the cheapest price available. Churning and burning teachers is detrimental to any school system. The motive should be to retain good teachers not chase them away.

    what the law says you can do, and what is actually done are two different things.....

    i can call the hr department of a potential employee and get he basics...date of hire, date of separation, etc

    if as a manager you stop there, you ought to fired yourself

    i have had a lot of success talking to immediate supervisors over the years

    and usually, it is a one question response i am looking for....

    "would you hire that person again?"

    almost all of them give me a yes or no.....
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    what the law says you can do, and what is actually done are two different things.....

    i can call the hr department of a potential employee and get he basics...date of hire, date of separation, etc

    if as a manager you stop there, you ought to fired yourself

    i have had a lot of success talking to immediate supervisors over the years

    and usually, it is a one question response i am looking for....

    "would you hire that person again?"

    almost all of them give me a yes or no.....
    As a manager I've had many of those same types of discussions about former employees myself. I'm limited on what I can say as the reason for the separation but people can ask me questions that I am able to answer such as the one you mention. I can not maliciously lie about a former employee but can give a host of information anyway.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

    Quote Originally Posted by Great King Rat View Post
    While I agree with many of those sentiments, let's not lump ALL unions together with the most obvious and historically documented ones that deserve derision and serious dismantling. I saw the Teamsters were mentioned earlier in the thread. Given their history, your description certainly is fitting with regard to them IMO.
    To your point, lumping all unions together as the same is not a good thing. That said, the teamsters have quite a history with the AFL-CIO and while they may currently not be affiliated with the teamsters there is quite a long working relationship going all the way back to pre Hoffa days. The AFL-CIO has quite a list of affiliations as well, which have throughout the 20th century been with the teamsters. Guilt by association? Yes - some of it. Tactics I saw used in the mid 1980's were definitely teamster strong arm related.

    List of unions affiliated with the AFL

    International Brotherhood of Teamsters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    1. Funding elections can influence his other criteria.
    2. He provided no information whatsoever.


    Again, since his claim was purely hot air with zero substantiation an informed rebuttal, even if not direct and proportional, is sufficient to debunk his claim. Generally speaking, they never bring any research or citations, they just make it up as they go. Give the proliferation such an easy approach permits, we can't spend an inordinate amount of time doing their research for them in order to prove them wrong... otherwise they would win just by sheer numbers (it is easier to make things up than to 'prove' them). So a wedge will suffice, given their inability -- and typically subsequent in-your-face refusal -- to provide any documentation whatsoever. A house built of cards does not require complete demolition; simply removing a key item or two will accomplish the same task.

    As the old saying goes, "a lie is halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on". The purveyors of falsehood, or opinion-as-fact, are likely well aware of that and use it to their advantage.
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    ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Right, your proof positive is Texas. It is illegal for teachers to collectively bargain with a union and has been that way for years. There school system can compete at the top internationally while union loving schools like MA score at the very bottom. Union loving MA bad for students. Union hating Texas good for students- Sarcasm over
    Are you actually suggesting it is UNIONS that make the education system in those states better???? How about we go with property tax for $500 Alex. Or the burden on the education system? You just highlighted one of the major issues why most people are ignorant when it comes to education: attributing a single problem as the cause for an issue, or in your case a single solution for the success.

    Did I say it was the only problem? No. You seem to be saying that the unions are making the education system better. They aren't. One word: tenure. Something that protects bad teachers from being fired. How is that ok?

    http://www.teachersunionexposed.com/protecting.cfm

    Just take a read about tenure. Like I said...it is a travesty. And it isn't so much that all teachers in a union are bad. It is that the union doesn't exist for education. It doesn't exist to help kids. It exists to protect teachers. And it has now turned to protecting BAD teachers.

    I would be ok if unions policed themselves and removed bad teachers, but they do not. Not even close.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    [...] One word: tenure. [...]
    Outlawing tenure would not make any measurable difference, it is merely a wedge issue to disempower unions and get the corporatist right one step closer to their goal -- the complete and total elimination of unions. If you were to outlaw tenure, they would suddenly 'expose' yet another issue that is suddenly a 'travesty' in the teachers union which is destroying the education of 'our children'

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