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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Why not? Cite what law disallows companies from disclosing that a person was terminated and/or why.



    "The motive?" I'm sure some have that motive, others have a motive to fill the spot with the absolute best candidate within a price range of $______ to $______. Unions seek to insulate their members from having to compete on any grounds with others who could fill that job and do it better and/or cheaper.



    Unions have a motive to retain all member teachers, good, bad or terrible, doing all they can to prevent even seriously unfit teachers from being ultimately forced out of the profession. How is that good for students that unfit teachers would be so strongly defended and kept in the profession?
    If they were fired they can state why in some states, but as a whole many don't say anything about the employee's dismissal to avoid law suits.

    Again, churning teachers in order to keep prices low would be a very bad practice. As it is now, good teachers are hard to retain. The key to retain the best and the brightest is to make the field attractive. Hiring the lowest bidder will not do that at all. Teacher unions can not retain teachers in the state of MA with more than two unsatisfactory evaluations. So, what you are saying is based on a myth.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Great King Rat View Post
    You should come up with a link and a quotation of mine that supports your "awareness" of my comments. Use those lens wipes I mentioned yesterday before you do though.
    I see you still don't realize how I got you to admit that the things you mentioned (the printing of people's addresses and phone #'s) have nothing to do with this story
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I see you still don't realize how I got you to admit that the things you mentioned (the printing of people's addresses and phone #'s) have nothing to do with this story
    Oh you poor dear. Is that what you really imagine you did? Of course it is. Of course it is.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Great King Rat View Post
    Oh you poor dear. Is that what you really imagine you did? Of course it is. Of course it is.
    Another "Nuh-uh"

    Quelle surprise
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Another "Nuh-uh"

    Quelle surprise
    Oh you poor dear. Another flaccid post from the WiFi hotspot from under the bridge. Quelle surprise.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    If they were fired they can state why in some states, but as a whole many don't say anything about the employee's dismissal to avoid law suits.
    You're scrambling to save your previous inaccurate statement.

    Again, churning teachers in order to keep prices low would be a very bad practice.
    I never advocated "churning teachers." I said unions protect even bad teachers, and asked what good that does for our youth.

    As it is now, good teachers are hard to retain. The key to retain the best and the brightest is to make the field attractive.
    Bogus. If they were so hard to retain, there would be no need for a union to try to drive the wages up. The wages would rise naturally as a result of districts needing teachers. Your argument does not make sense as to what purpose a teacher's union would possibly serve. Here are the unemployment statistics: A-30. Unemployed persons by occupation and sex

    Hiring the lowest bidder will not do that at all. Teacher unions can not retain teachers in the state of MA with more than two unsatisfactory evaluations. So, what you are saying is based on a myth.
    First of all, what do you mean the union "cannot retain" teachers with 3+ bad evaluations? The union would kick them out at that point?

    Also, more than two unsatisfactory evaluations is a minimum of three years of a potentially incompetent teacher teaching children. That factoid does not make anything I said a myth. If anything it supports what I said, which is that potentially bad teachers are protected, and this happens at the expense of their students.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Great King Rat View Post
    Oh you poor dear.
    Enough of yer "oh you poor dear" routine okay Great King Rat.
    Another flaccid post
    Exactly where are you coming from and going to with calling posts "flaccid"?
    from the WiFi hotspot from under the bridge. Quelle surprise.
    And then there's the "WiFi hotspot from under the bridge" meme.
    From which right-wing hotspot did you pick that up?

    As for Unions and how they've bettered all of the lives of Americans, when will you be giving up yer weekends off, 40-hour weeks,
    paid vacations, safety regs and protection against sexual harassment of the boss?

    How about time off for babies to both female and male workers--I assume yer a "Family Values" kind of a guy.

    And I'm quite sure you long for the days of Monopolies and Trusts before the Great Progress--ive Republican
    President Theodore Roosevelt--oh for the many reasons he's on Mount Rushmore .
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You're scrambling to save your previous inaccurate statement.



    I never advocated "churning teachers." I said unions protect even bad teachers, and asked what good that does for our youth.



    Bogus. If they were so hard to retain, there would be no need for a union to try to drive the wages up. The wages would rise naturally as a result of districts needing teachers. Your argument does not make sense as to what purpose a teacher's union would possibly serve. Here are the unemployment statistics: A-30. Unemployed persons by occupation and sex



    First of all, what do you mean the union "cannot retain" teachers with 3+ bad evaluations? The union would kick them out at that point?

    Also, more than two unsatisfactory evaluations is a minimum of three years of a potentially incompetent teacher teaching children. That factoid does not make anything I said a myth. If anything it supports what I said, which is that potentially bad teachers are protected, and this happens at the expense of their students.
    And I said that is a myth. Did you not read that part of my post? You are dismissed if you get more than two unsatisfactory evaluations. Test scores make it easy to give an unsatisfactory rating even if you are a good teacher. Short sighted people like you have no clue how dangerous such a metric is because it basically depends on what kind of students you get. It is more likely for teachers in inner city schools to be dismissed due to test scores. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why. That in itself makes the profession less attractive. And my argument is NOT bogus. Nearly half of teachers leave the profession after 5 years. Inner city teachers are much harder to retain. Wages don't go up because there is a glut of workers but that does not by any stretch of the imagination mean the best and the brightest are waiting to teach.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You're scrambling to save your previous inaccurate statement.
    Not only that but avoiding admitting that her understanding of some of the "facts" she posts are less than accurate too. It's a theme apparently.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As for Unions and how they've bettered all of the lives of Americans, when will you be giving up yer weekends off, 40-hour weeks,
    paid vacations, safety regs and protection against sexual harassment of the boss?
    I guess when the FLSA is overturned. It's not like unions are the only things keeping employment laws on the books.

    And I'm quite sure you long for the days of Monopolies and Trusts before the Great Progress--ive Republican President Theodore Roosevelt--oh for the many reasons he's on Mount Rushmore .
    I'm glad you brought up monopolies. Like monopolies, unions are also vehemently anti-competition and seek at all times to drive up the price of the thing they deal. In fact, economists acknowledge that unions are enabled to have monopoly power.

    "According to Harvard economists Richard Freeman and James Medoff, who look favorably on unions, “Most, if not all, unions have monopoly power, which they can use to raise wages above competitive levels” (1984, p. 6). Unions’ power to fix high prices for their members’ labor rests on legal privileges and immunities that they get from government, both by statute and by nonenforcement of other laws. The purpose of these legal privileges is to restrict others from working for lower wages."

    "Labor unions cannot prosper in a competitive environment. Like other successful cartels, they depend on government patronage and protection. Worker cartels grew in surges during the two world wars and the Great Depression of the 1930s. Federal laws—the Railway Act of 1926 (amended in 1934), the Davis-Bacon Act of 1931, the Norris-LaGuardia Act of 1932, the National Labor Relations Act of 1935, the Walsh-Healy Act of 1936, the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, various war labor boards, and the Kennedy administration’s encouragement of public-sector unionism in 1962—all added to unions’ monopoly power."

    http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/LaborUnions.html

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