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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

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    You have only given information that could even reasonably act against one of his items: fund elections. [...]
    1. Funding elections can influence his other criteria.
    2. He provided no information whatsoever.

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    Even then, your argument has a significant flaw because it does not allow for a direct and proportional comparison.
    Again, since his claim was purely hot air with zero substantiation an informed rebuttal, even if not direct and proportional, is sufficient to debunk his claim. Generally speaking, they never bring any research or citations, they just make it up as they go. Give the proliferation such an easy approach permits, we can't spend an inordinate amount of time doing their research for them in order to prove them wrong... otherwise they would win just by sheer numbers (it is easier to make things up than to 'prove' them). So a wedge will suffice, given their inability -- and typically subsequent in-your-face refusal -- to provide any documentation whatsoever. A house built of cards does not require complete demolition; simply removing a key item or two will accomplish the same task.

    As the old saying goes, "a lie is halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on". The purveyors of falsehood, or opinion-as-fact, are likely well aware of that and use it to their advantage.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Great King Rat View Post
    Let me ask you a few honest questions that immediately sprung to mind when I read your so called reply to my post.
    i will gladly answer your 'honest' questions. actually, i look forward to reading anything from you which would be found 'honest'
    Do you expect to be taken seriously?
    usually. and when i do not, i try to give some indication that what i post is offered tongue-in-cheek
    With a post like that?
    absolutely
    Do you have issues with words,
    no. do you have issues?
    ... or having to read them in a forum like this?
    you do recall that each of us forum members freely chose to participate here. so, i cannot fathom why you would question whether a forum member has issues with having to read words
    Is this text like grammatically challenged method of posting words you are using an affectation?
    an affectation as in like choosing to engage in like valley talk? no
    It looks to me like you just proffered up an excuse (having to read?) for not actually addressing a thing I said.
    reading your posts is to learning what eating empty calories is to nutrition
    I'm aware of what the union did.
    then share that with us instead of the insipid comments about the posting styles of those with whom you disagree
    Nothing about this story surprises me, except that in 2014 people servile to the unions will ignore and reject any and everything that is not equally so.
    i am going to try to finish the thought you began but failed to complete. my speculation is that you intended to express that unionists reject that which is not favorable towards collective bargaining principles. and you would be wrong. as a unionist, i might challenge that which is in opposition to collective bargaining; but to ignore that with which i do not agree would be juvenile
    As evidenced by a lot of posts in this now over 1,000 post "debate".
    and the fact that there are now over 1000 posts on this topic 'evidences' what exactly
    I'm not persuaded by arguments based upon obtuse postures that the publication of the information in question can't and won't be used as information like that invariably and historically has been used.
    then please share with us how the proposed use of the information is a new application and not one which has been previously utilized when processing the data
    Mainly because in my opinion that is an idiotic stance.
    you got me with this pronouncement. on things idiotic, i will defer to you
    The aforementioned "no brainer" term comes to mind.
    i looked but failed to identify where the useage of "no brainer" occurred other than in your sentence immediately preceding this
    I like how you introduce the concept that something "heinous" has occurred and then demand that others illustrate that to you.
    i am delighted that you like it. thank you
    Again, you expect that to be taken seriously?
    did i stutter when i responded to the question the first time you asked it?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Let us all know when yer ready to go back to pre-TR days when corporations were getting away with what current corporations want to do.

    And do volunteer to work weekends for free since that is exactly what Unions got rid of,
    not to mention safety in the workplace, such as at hospitals .

    What the unions did for the average worker 50, 75, or 100 years ago means nothing today

    Can you tell me any significant contribution since say 1975?

    The unions were needed for years....they did a lot of good

    That was in the past......

    Now...mostly they are political organizations now.....and the negotiations they do on behalf of employees has almost become secondary
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i will gladly answer your 'honest' questions. actually, i look forward to reading anything from you which would be found 'honest'

    usually. and when i do not, i try to give some indication that what i post is offered tongue-in-cheek

    absolutely

    no. do you have issues?

    you do recall that each of us forum members freely chose to participate here. so, i cannot fathom why you would question whether a forum member has issues with having to read words

    an affectation as in like choosing to engage in like valley talk? no

    reading your posts is to learning what eating empty calories is to nutrition

    then share that with us instead of the insipid comments about the posting styles of those with whom you disagree

    i am going to try to finish the thought you began but failed to complete. my speculation is that you intended to express that unionists reject that which is not favorable towards collective bargaining principles. and you would be wrong. as a unionist, i might challenge that which is in opposition to collective bargaining; but to ignore that with which i do not agree would be juvenile

    and the fact that there are now over 1000 posts on this topic 'evidences' what exactly

    then please share with us how the proposed use of the information is a new application and not one which has been previously utilized when processing the data

    you got me with this pronouncement. on things idiotic, i will defer to you

    i looked but failed to identify where the useage of "no brainer" occurred other than in your sentence immediately preceding this

    i am delighted that you like it. thank you

    did i stutter when i responded to the question the first time you asked it?
    As I suspected, you don't expect to or apparently want to be taken seriously. Because if you seriously think I'm going to bother wading through that illiterate mess of a chopped up copied and pasted contortion and somersaults? You would be wrong. Do you imagine that anything that looks like that kind of post is ever or has ever held a hidden gem of an intelligent discussion within it? Ever? If so, why? Never mind rhetorical question.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    to provide information to their membership is my GUESS
    For what reason? I see you aren't going to answer that.

    those non-dues paying bargaining unit members; have they made a conscience decision to be a free rider and enjoy the benefits of union representation without incurring the costs to maintain those union provided benefits? are they employees who have never been approached to sign up? are they co-workers who do not understand what the union has negotiated for the bargaining unit, and would pay their way if they only knew what had been done on their behalf and the expenses associated with such representation? are they co-workers who are cozy with management and recognize that it is their relationship with management rather than their union affiliation that will likely advance their career? are they co-workers the bargaining unit members would find trustworthy to share information with, or should important information be withheld from them - possibly because they are management moles? are those on that list also those who receive preferential treatment from management? are they the ones who have been promoted instead of union members?
    Basically...are they people who work hard, know the right people, or are they people who make sure that certain lazy workers don't get away with their crap?

    by knowing who is and is not dues paying the union membership can help identify to the union any appearance of disparate treatment, which favorable/unfavorable treatment based on union participation is an unfair labor violation
    So the union needs to know who isn't paying money...so they can have a list of people to try to get money from? That doesn't even begin to answer why others need that information.

    Unions had a place a long time ago. The more you describe what they do...the more it just seems like an extortion racket to help the lazy.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Great King Rat View Post
    As I suspected, you don't expect to or apparently want to be taken seriously. Because if you seriously think I'm going to bother wading through that illiterate mess of a chopped up copied and pasted contortion and somersaults? You would be wrong. Do you imagine that anything that looks like that kind of post is ever or has ever held a hidden gem of an intelligent discussion within it? Ever? If so, why? Never mind rhetorical question.
    your post received all of the attention it begged for
    now, care to address the union topic
    again, i ask, what was it that the union did which would be found heinous?
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    What the unions did for the average worker 50, 75, or 100 years ago means nothing today

    Can you tell me any significant contribution since say 1975?

    The unions were needed for years....they did a lot of good

    That was in the past......

    Now...mostly they are political organizations now.....and the negotiations they do on behalf of employees has almost become secondary
    Number 1 democrat campaign contributor. Actually...look up the largest campaign contributors in the country.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    your post received all of the attention it begged for
    now, care to address the union topic
    again, i ask, what was it that the union did which would be found heinous?
    Simply returning to your proffered question, what would be "heinous" and expecting me (or anyone else for that matter) to answer it? You really may imagine it to be seriously important. Unfortunately following first your complaint about "so many words" but then posting a wall of chopped up copied and pasted contortions and somersaults couched in an equal amount of words? Is not exactly a substantive discussion of anything. If you can find someone here at DP that wants to get into a typical message board "debate" about the word heinous, for the benefit of your bromide? Well, happy hunting. I'm afraid the idiotic and painfully obvious nakedly self serving question has gotten all the attention it begged for, from me. The trappings of a high school command of grammar, would still not help that so called question even if such was present. Which it is not. That is pretty much why I asked, is that an affectation?
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    It's organized crime. As others have mentioned, it certainly served it's purpose in the past but now they are a hindrance to free speech, free association, and the democratic process.

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