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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    They are not attempting to organize in every part of the economy because they lack resources. Those resources taken away due to Right to work laws. They are operating on the defense. A speaker from a right wing think tank articulated well what they were doing to unions.....They are trying to take the unions out at the knees by depleting their resources.
    You're so misinformed it seems rather pointless to go on. For example, the SEIU has been taking in over $65 million per year in dues from California alone, and in just one category, In-Home-Support-Services. They have been doing that for over 8 years. And they sit on the Board, like the Democracy Alliance, where they can direct extra money to the effort.

    You should really stop pretending you know anything on this subject, since it is stunningly clear you have nothing but ideas you want to believe, not facts.

    This is how the unions gain the money and power to intimidate and cajole non-union members to join, or else.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

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    Wrong. Based on political contributions, GE is a larger supporter of Republicans.



    Apple leans Democrat, but their total political contributions are only ~3% of what GE spends so they are essentially irrelevant.

    So -- another right wing myth bites the dust
    Boy you guys are liars....(progressives)... [....]
    The numbers don't lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    [...] As far as Apple is concerned, the close relationship they have with this progressive WH is troubling regardless of the amounts donated on behalf of Apple Corp. to demo causes. [...]
    A "relationship" is a matter of opinion. Numbers are a matter of fact. My post above is based on fact. Sorry those don't work out for your claims. Perhaps OpinionPolitics would be better suited for your argument than DebatePolitics?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    From the link:

    “Unlike many of their brethren in other areas of television and film production, reality TV workers are not unionized, and tend to be paid less, get fewer benefits, and have far fewer workplace protections as a result.

    Oops... I hear some right wing arguments made in the very thread suddenly evaporating into thin air . . . .
    First, the topic is union violence and intimidation, was just providing a link to a topic mentioned.

    Second, at least attribute the quote to an author, a writer for the Gawker. As far as the claim goes, like to see the actual breakdown in how much less the wages are, what kind of reductions in benefits and all the "horrible" abuses that reality TV staff face on a daily basis.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    First, the topic is union violence and intimidation, was just providing a link to a topic mentioned.

    Second, at least attribute the quote to an author, a writer for the Gawker. As far as the claim goes, like to see the actual breakdown in how much less the wages are, what kind of reductions in benefits and all the "horrible" abuses that reality TV staff face on a daily basis
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    it is not

    but prove me wrong and identify within the OP/cite where the union participated in violence and intimidation

    i'll await your documented reply
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    no
    it is not

    but prove me wrong and identify within the OP/cite where the union participated in violence and intimidation

    i'll await your documented reply
    My sincerest apologies....."Pressure Tactics."

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    You're so misinformed it seems rather pointless to go on. For example, the SEIU has been taking in over $65 million per year in dues from California alone, and in just one category, In-Home-Support-Services. They have been doing that for over 8 years. And they sit on the Board, like the Democracy Alliance, where they can direct extra money to the effort.

    You should really stop pretending you know anything on this subject, since it is stunningly clear you have nothing but ideas you want to believe, not facts.
    The delicious irony

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    The delicious irony

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    My sincerest apologies....."Pressure Tactics."
    apology accepted
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I couldn't agree more with your description of right wing debate tactics
    I suggest worrying more about policies then wings.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl, links since edited/corrected View Post
    From an inline link at the previous link:

    “Unlike many of their brethren in other areas of television and film production, reality TV workers are not unionized, and tend to be paid less, get fewer benefits, and have far fewer workplace protections as a result.

    Gawker: "A Twisted Industry": Reality TV Workers Are Really Fed Up

    Oops... I hear some right wing arguments made in the very thread suddenly evaporating into thin air . . . .
    First, the topic is union violence and intimidation, was just providing a link to a topic mentioned. [...]
    Correct, but that did not prevent anti-union posters from claiming that unions were no longer necessary, even though that really doesn't make any sense with respect to the topic. So, a factual counterclaim was called for to discredit the anti-unionists in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Second, at least attribute the quote to an author, a writer for the Gawker.
    Fair enough. Done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    As far as the claim goes, like to see the actual breakdown in how much less the wages are, what kind of reductions in benefits and all the "horrible" abuses that reality TV staff face on a daily basis.
    Irrelevant with respect to the anti-unionists claims of obsolescence. If you're interested in more stories of the abuse of non-union workers, you'll find them at the link provided. It seems the industry practice is to treat at least some them as 'independent contractors', a shakey tax-dodge often used by companies that want to dodge all benefits (FICA, Workers Comp, health insurance, etc), which means they have no benefits at all. For even more information on non-union employee abuse, Google is your friend. Also, here's a followup post to the one I made above (this one includes the direct link):

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    More non-union abuse:

    "Since our first post on this issue last week, we've received dozens of emails from reality TV industry veterans at all levels. In their stories of long hours, dangerous working conditions with few regulations, and workplace abuses by employers, some common themes arise. Employees say production companies push them too hard and mistreat them. Production companies blame the networks. And everyone seems to agree, explicitly or not, that reality TV work is much worse than other TV work due in large part to the absence of a union that could protect its far-flung workforce. [...] Their employers have little incentive to enact change".

    "A Twisted Industry": Reality TV Workers Are Really Fed Up

    But-but-but unions have outlived their usefulness . . . .
    Last edited by Karl; 10-13-14 at 03:06 PM.

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