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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL

    Let's see, SEIU organizes public employees, so that union manipulation and exploitation at the state level. The NEA is the teachers unions, which means union manipulation and exploitation in public schools. The AFL-CIO organizes in the private sector, so along with it's affiliated unions, attempts to organize industry, construction, and a myriad of other industries.

    So, perhaps you're right, just fiction in my mind. The fact the White House visitor record documents frequent visits from the unions and frequent attendance by the Obama Administration to Democracy Alliance meetings pretty much destroys any arguments you're trying to make.

    Obviously the only fiction going on here is in your mind, not mine. As you've demonstrated quite well.
    No, union membership is not in every corner of the economy. Union membership is down in every industry. The motive behind ALEC's model legislation was to destroy unions. "If right-to-work laws extend to the 50 states, then private sector unions will be dead in America." Words from Chris Edwards from the Cato Institute.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL. Massive FAIL again. You should have quit while you were behind. Your post attempted to suggest the Koch Bros were outspending the Democracy Alliance. They aren't even in the same league. [...]

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl, back in post #922, replying to ocean515 View Post
    Altho pretty far off topic, I think we can call that "fact" a rather massive fail:

    "According to a June 2014 report by Politico, "The 21 groups at the core of the Democracy Alliance’s portfolio intend to spend $374 million during the [2014] midterm election cycle [...]" Democracy Alliance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "A 2013 study by the Center for Responsive Politics said that nonprofit groups backed by a donor network organized by the billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch raised more than $400 million in the 2011–2012 election cycle.[39]" Political activities of the Koch brothers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Doh!

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Doh!
    Your quotes don't compare the two groups' spending at the same time. The union spending you referenced was during a midterm election period while your reference for the Koch bro's groups' spending took place during a presidential election cycle. You shouldn't compare those numbers as all group spending is probably significantly higher during a presidential cycle.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    Your quotes don't compare the two groups' spending at the same time. The union spending you referenced was during a midterm election period while your reference for the Koch bro's groups' spending took place during a presidential election cycle. You shouldn't compare those numbers as all group spending is probably significantly higher during a presidential cycle.
    This thread is a perfect example of facts don't matter, it is just about what they want. They will ignore your use of facts, even though they are correct.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    Your quotes don't compare the two groups' spending at the same time. The union spending you referenced was during a midterm election period while your reference for the Koch bro's groups' spending took place during a presidential election cycle. You shouldn't compare those numbers as all group spending is probably significantly higher during a presidential cycle.
    It's close enough to debunk the poster's original claim:

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515, in post #912 View Post
    The fact is the Democracy Alliance, the mothership of the Progressive Machine, has done more to influence legislation in Washington, draft bills, influence anti-business legislation, fund elections, and spread propaganda across the United States than ALEC or any conservative group could dream to have done. [...]
    He, or you, are welcome to provide your own data proving your claims. I won't be holding my breath. In the meantime, he has clearly failed.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    This thread is a perfect example of facts don't matter, it is just about what they want. They will ignore your use of facts, even though they are correct.
    I couldn't agree more with your description of right wing debate tactics

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    It's an optional organization at an optional job in an optional career path. It's all options, and they're still freeloading.
    Did being a member of a Union in America to get a job in a career path one decides suddenly become mandatory, and I missed it? So, you're saying that if one chooses certain careers, then they MUST join a Union, or find a different career, and if they chose not to, you get to demonize them? That's bull ****.

    Sometimes the enemy to the working man is the corporate executive, and sometimes he's the guy next to you who's willing to undermine the battles that you've spent blood and treasure fighting. Desertion during a war can earn you a death sentence historically, I don't see how printing a name on a webpage for a similar level of selfishness is even in the same ballpark.
    So you believe that those unwilling to join a Union are enemies that deserve death eh? And Unions are all fluffy and nice eh? Yeah, with thinking like that no harm at all could come of publishing names and locations of those unwilling to join your Union....

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    Slippery indeed.

    No one is arguing that you must join a union.
    You are...You just described them as "enemies, that deserved death".... ^^^^^ Right up above ^^^^

    If the company's profits don't match the wealth of society, then there's exploitation, and the people should counteract that to restore balance.
    Not interested in jealous blather.

    It's all relative. If we make the foreign goods less pleasant to purchase because we force them to manufacture at our own domestic levels of environmental standards and worker protections, the American worker and an American product look much more attractive.
    Are GE, and Apple "foreign goods"? Because I'm pretty sure that both of those companies are American, and both pretty big supporters of demo's, that took our money and shifted jobs to China to avoid high taxes...

    That doesn't look level
    Oh please! You post this as if 'republican' affiliated groups have no right to do what Soros and Unions have done in the political process for decades... And you think Karl Rove is a conservative? I don't.

    It's overdue for a return. I'm surprised that the corporations are keeping people scared of retaliation rather than claiming a fair share.

    Here's the history of defined benefit pension plans in the private sector:
    "Defined benefits" like pensions have failed not because of some management scheme to ruin them, they have failed because of corrupt Union management that promoted these plans that were unrealistic to the point of not being able to provide what they promised their workers, then at retirement when the plan goes belly up the Union stands by hoisting the burden that they demand on the taxpayer while they keep the dues paid to negotiate these unsustainable plans as they watch the business crumble and disappear along with the jobs that were there before...Quite a scam.

    Here's the history of middle class share of income over a similar period:
    I have laid out earlier that Union membership, and usefulness is a pendulum, and if the people who work for companies feel as though they are getting a raw deal from that company, they will choose either to Unionize, or quit and find a different job at a competitor, thus putting the 'unfair' company out of business. Union membership shouldn't hinge on intimidating people to join.

    Those are both due for a correction, and unions are the tool to reverse those trends.
    If the unions are a tool, then workforce individual choice are a hammer, and a big one...As a career truck driver, and former teamster, I can tell you that trends in our industry, which at one time was heavily unionized, is now facing a shortage of qualified drivers, and those that are qualified are finding that they call the shots, even without the Unions.

    Unions aren't there to destroy a company, they're there to balance the interests of the workers with the interests of the corporation.
    At one time that may well have been true, but then corruption at the top defined the Unions, and now the Unions aren't there for the worker, they are there to take the workers money, and lobby full time in politics for the enrichment of the top Union bosses, screw the worker for their dues should be their slogan.

    Exporting jobs isn't a progressive policy.
    Sure it is...Obama, and you progressives beg businesses to come home to America, then at the same time talk of how they are evil, and don't pay "their fair share" and talk of how when they do come back you progressives will tax them out of business...You must really think people are stupid.

    Don't want to pay for the benefits of a union job? Get a job that isn't union. If you like the job so much, pay to help maintain it and grow it for others.
    I've been a truck driver for over 20 years. In the beginning, I was a Teamster, and they sucked. Since finding work in non Union sectors of trucking my pay has risen, I don't have to pay dues, and I am in control of my own destiny, not tied to the lowest ranked driver dependent on him/her for my evaluation...I have made a good living on MY ability, and good record, not because I need some thug to bleed me for protection money.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    All my points have been coherent and drawn from many years of direct experience. You on the other hand have none and only offer opinion base on poltical leanings.
    That's quite the assumption of me jet, which not only makes you look silly, but is quite wrong.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I can back it up just fine. I just won't get into a discussion with a person who lacks the requisite knowledge to be a part of the conversation.
    What "requisite knowledge" do I need to realize that you just made up words that have no meaning in order to mask what you really want...?

    Anytime you'd like to answer honestly, I am listening...
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Like I said, you lack the requisite knowledge. I'm not talking to you like you're dung, you're the belligerent one. I just know when time would be wasted.

    Like, right now for instance.

    Good day!
    That's it, can't be honest, so run away...

    Man you guys are easy.
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