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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Again, the facts dont reflect your assertion. "Middle class share of aggregate income"? How about we compare actual per capita income and remove the marxist angle from your claims.
    Marxist angle huh?

    Understanding inflation and that the 1950 dollar strength is not the same as 2014 dollar strength... that's just knowledge. Not Marxism.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Per capita, Americans continue to make more, and they do it despite unions.
    On the flip side, even with a decrease in unions, per capital income is not dropping.

    This is why facts are stubborn.
    Per capita income is an average including the super-rich. You know the ones whose wealth is growing astronomically while middle class per capita income is nose diving. For instance, if I were to get a per capita income growth that included Warren Buffet and 100 really poor people... guess what that average is doing? Yep... it's skyrocketing.


    But don't let the REAL facts get in the way of your partisan diatribe though.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Marxist angle huh?

    Understanding inflation and that the 1950 dollar strength is not the same as 2014 dollar strength... that's just knowledge. Not Marxism.



    Per capita income is an average including the super-rich. You know the ones whose wealth is growing astronomically while middle class per capita income is nose diving. For instance, if I were to get a per capita income growth that included Warren Buffet and 100 really poor people... guess what that average is doing? Yep... it's skyrocketing.


    But don't let the REAL facts get in the way of your partisan diatribe though.
    What percentage of Americans are "super rich"?
    Yes, the dollar is not as strong-but that effects everyone the same amount and its accounted for in things like inflation.
    Even the poor by todays standards would have been considered middle class just a few decades ago.
    American middle class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Household income in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So heres what is happening-EVERYONE is attaining more wealth, and there is a constant ladder from lower income to the middle class-we have a mobility you appear to not account for. Additionally, while everyone is making more (ADJUSTED for inflation) the reason the wealthy are making more is because they have more capital to invest, thats how capitalism works, not marxism.



    You also dont want to compare apples to apples.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    From the link:

    “Unlike many of their brethren in other areas of television and film production, reality TV workers are not unionized, and tend to be paid less, get fewer benefits, and have far fewer workplace protections as a result.

    Oops... I hear some right wing arguments made in the very thread suddenly evaporating into thin air . . . .

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    From the link:

    “Unlike many of their brethren in other areas of television and film production, reality TV workers are not unionized, and tend to be paid less, get fewer benefits, and have far fewer workplace protections as a result.

    Oops... I hear some right wing arguments made in the very thread suddenly evaporating into thin air . . . .
    And? Are you saying it didn't happen? Did the host have an overwhelming interest in smearing unions?

    Lets look at some examples... Union violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Incidents[edit]
    Examples of union violence since 1925 include:

    2012 - Union workers protesting right-to-work legislation in Lansing, Michigan destroyed a tent run by Americans for Prosperity. People were inside the tent but managed to escape before the collapse. Additionally, hot dog stand operator Clinton Tarver, a popular vendor around the Capital area who was hired to provide catering for AFP, lost his equipment, condiments, coolers, and food in the collapse. According to Tarver (an African American), union workers, who had incorrectly assumed he was supporting AFP, called Tarver an "Uncle Tom nigger". A union worker also punched conservative comedian and Fox News contributor Stephen Crowder, resulting in a chipped tooth and a minor cut on the forehead. Another worker threatened to kill Crowder with a gun.[67][68][69][70][71][72]
    2011 - It was reported on September 9, 2011 that members of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) frightened security guards, dumped grain, and vandalized property belonging to EGT, LLC, over a labor dispute. No one was hurt, and no one had been arrested at the time the incident was reported. District Judge Ronald Leighton later issued a preliminary injunction against the ILWU citing their reported behavior.[73]
    1997 - On August 7, 1997, teamsters Orestes Espinosa, Angel Mielgo, Werner Haechler, Benigno Rojas, and Adrian Paez beat, kicked, and stabbed a UPS worker (Rod Carter) who refused to strike, after Carter received a threatening phone call from the home of Anthony Cannestro, Sr., president of Teamsters Local 769.[74][75]
    1996 - On 19 August 1996, Australian unionists physically broke into the Australian Parliament & fought Australian Federal Police during the 1996 Parliament House Riot.[76][77]
    1993 - Eddie York was murdered for crossing a United Mine Workers (UMW) picket line at a coal mine in Logan County, West Virginia, on July 22, 1993. Like the 1990 NY Daily News strike, criminal charges under the Hobbs Act were declined, with the FBI and Justice Department citing the Enmons case.[78][79]
    1990 - on the first day of The New York Daily News strike, delivery trucks were attacked with stones and sticks, and in some cases burned, with the drivers beaten.[2][3][4] Strikers then started threatening newsstands with arson, or stole all copies of the Daily News and burned them in front of the newsstands.[2][3][4] James Hoge, publisher of the Daily News, alleged that there had been some 700 serious acts of violence. The New York Police Department claimed knowledge of 229 incidents of violence. Criminal charges under the Hobbs Act were declined, however, citing the aforementioned Enmons case.[2][3][4]
    1986/1987 - three union workers set fire to the Hotel Dupont Plaza in San Juan, Puerto Rico, while other union members staged a fight as a distraction. The union, said to be affiliated with the Teamsters, was having a labor dispute with management over pay and health care. Ninety-seven people were killed, none of whom were union members. Most bodies were burned beyond recognition.
    1986 - During protests by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 1547 against a non-unionized workforce getting a contract, picketers threatened and assaulted workers, spat at them, sabotaged equipment, and shot guns near workers.[80][81] In 1999, the Alaska Supreme Court ruled that the union had engaged in "ongoing acts of intimidation, violence, destruction of property", awarding the plaintiff $212,500 in punitive damages.[80][81]
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    More non-union abuse:

    "Since our first post on this issue last week, we've received dozens of emails from reality TV industry veterans at all levels. In their stories of long hours, dangerous working conditions with few regulations, and workplace abuses by employers, some common themes arise. Employees say production companies push them too hard and mistreat them. Production companies blame the networks. And everyone seems to agree, explicitly or not, that reality TV work is much worse than other TV work due in large part to the absence of a union that could protect its far-flung workforce. [...] Their employers have little incentive to enact change".

    "A Twisted Industry": Reality TV Workers Are Really Fed Up

    But-but-but unions have outlived their usefulness . . . .

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    And? Are you saying it didn't happen? Did the host have an overwhelming interest in smearing unions? [...]

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by webrockk View Post
    Those who deem public Scab Lists an acceptable union practice, kindly prove your solidarity by positing your real names and home addresses upon these pages.

    I'll wait.
    The union posts where people work by department, not where they live. Only another worker would be able to easilly find the person and there are plenty of laws against workplace harassment and lawsuit opportunities for the victim.

    Which reminds me, no one was willing to post their phone bills in the thread on the NSA even though many claim metadata collection isn't a significant violation of privacy.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    More:

    On another production, after working 20 hours without eating I was regularly denied 2nd meal because they only got enough for crew (who are union).

    "A Twisted Industry": Reality TV Workers Are Really Fed Up

    At least the non-union employees can lose weight -- that's a benefit!

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Dont be so hard on yourself, but maybe try to answer the question next time.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Wow, a thousand replies in two days. Looks like I'm late to the party.

    Unions are parasitic filth, and their published "scab lists" are a shameless admission.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The union posts where people work by department, not where they live.

    So that makes these lists defensible?

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