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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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Wiggen said:
Do you know what costs union workers their jobs? Non-union workers who will work for less money in unsafe working conditions, in order to fuel those nice big bonuses management awards to itself on a regular basis.
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You'll have to take those risks. That's been part of the game forever. What I do not support, under any circumstances, is intimidation of workers, including by other workers. Workers are trying to get by and do right by for themselves and their families, just as you....well, I suppose I should say, except you.
 
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cpwill said:
Ah, I read Post 172 too fast, and didn't catch that there were two possible meanings, nor ask which you meant.

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Fine. Get rid of the federal laws protecting unions. I'm all for it.
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I think getting rid of "right to work" laws is a better solution than getting rid of federal union protections, but I suspect we'll not see eye to eye on that.

Edit: I figured it was something along those lines. I think someone should post the names of whoever invented the confusing English language.
 
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Fenton said:
I'm not " anti union " I'm pro employment and anti corruption.

So, yea I guess thats anti union.
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Yeah, because one thing unions are definitely against is 'employment'.:lamo
 
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sangha said:
No union has encouraged threatening behavior. Nor has any poster
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Of course not.


Hey, just out of curiousity, why do you think it is against forum rules for (say) me to go find out all of your personal information - say your real name, where you live, your phone number, etc, and post it here on the forum?
 
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Wiggen said:
Yeah, because one thing unions are definitely against is 'employment'.:lamo
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That is correct, they are. Unions prefer to create artificial shortages of labor because it allows them to increase price.
 
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Fiddytree said:
You'll have to take those risks. That's been part of the game forever. What I do not support, under any circumstances, is intimidation of workers, including by other workers. Workers are trying to get by and do right by for themselves and their families, just as you....well, I suppose I should say, except you.
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Yeah, it's worked so well for all those non-union miners in West Virginia and Kentucky. And those non-union textile workers throughout the old confederacy.
 
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sangha said:
The right can't argue that unions make a companies products less competitive with products produced in non-union shops *and* argue that the unions haven't lifted the compensation of workers.
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I've argued neither, but since you attempted to divert instead of providing a single instance, you've been written off, yet again.
 
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cpwill said:
That is correct, they are. Unions prefer to create artificial shortages of labor because it allows them to increase price.
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More right wing bull****. I'm guessing not even you believe that.
 
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Unrepresented said:
I think getting rid of "right to work" laws is a better solution than getting rid of federal union protections, but I suspect we'll not see eye to eye on that.
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Right now the federal government unfairly tilts the balance of power to Unions. There is no reason for that. Let the two sides compete and let unions compete to prove that they can actually provide value-added for the worker.


you know why German union participation is so much higher? Because they have national right-to-work laws, so the Unions had to get better, or die. And so get better they did :).
 
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Meister said:
Oh, brother......I've had much better success and paid better in non union jobs.
I just didn't like seeing lazy asses keep their jobs because of union protectIon.
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But you didn't mind enjoying the working conditions and the wages that the union had achieved for you, did you?
 
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Wiggen said:
More right wing bull****. I'm guessing not even you believe that.
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uh. no. That is literally the exact economic model that Unions push. You can't keep higher prices unless you are able to restrict supply.
 
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Wiggen said:
Yeah, because one thing unions are definitely against is 'employment'.:lamo
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You sure wouldn't know that judging by the unemployment and poverty rates in Blue States.

Lets just agree that Unions are Pro-Union, m'kay ?

That the Union and their dues comes first.
 
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Wiggen said:
Yeah, it's worked so well for all those non-union miners in West Virginia and Kentucky.
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:lol: tell me more about how all those miners in WVa aren't unionized?

Hey, how is it working for all those unions up in Detriot? I imagine they must be doing way better than those poor ununionized auto shops down in the South :)
 
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RedAkston said:
I've argued neither, but since you attempted to divert instead of providing a single instance, you've been written off, yet again.
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Yeah, right

Pretend that you don't understand the effects unionization have had on compensation all you like. I'll put that in the same category as your insistence that you know the unions intended to people intimidate non-members.
 
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Wiggen said:
But you didn't mind enjoying the working conditions and the wages that the union had achieved for you, did you?
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I must not have been that impressed because I did get a non union job.
 
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cpwill said:
[...] Fine. Get rid of the federal laws protecting unions. I'm all for it.
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What laws?
 
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sangha said:
The right can't argue that unions make a companies products less competitive with products produced in non-union shops *and* argue that the unions haven't lifted the compensation of workers.
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You're not going to get an honest or coherent argument from the pro-business right on unions.
 
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RedAkston said:
Pressure tactics: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers | Fox News



The last line is bolded for emphasis. These are the tactics that unions use and it's plain wrong. I dare anyone to defend what the union is doing here with a straight face.
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Both sides intimidate. Corporations intimidate when people attempt to unionize the place.... But yes, just because corporations do it doesn't mean that unions should also do it. It's wrong, and shame on the union for engaging in this kind of behavior.
 
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Kal'Stang said:
[...] As for those that say that such "scabs" are freeloading. :roll: [...] Saying that these people are freeloaders is like saying that those that didn't vote but supported Obama are freeloaders because Obama happened to win due to everyone else that voted for Obama. Its silly and idiotic.
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Any rational analysis of the scabs described in the OP will conclude that they are freeloaders. What is silly and idiotic is your argument.
 
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sangha said:
No, Mississippi does
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The US Census released a report stating that when cost of living , taxes and non cash benefits were calculated California had the highest poverty rates in the Country.

Argue with them.
 
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Karl said:
Any rational analysis of the scabs described in the OP will conclude that they are freeloaders. What is silly and idiotic is your argument.
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Not paying the Union their dues and being allowed to keep more of your paycheck is " freeloading " ?
 
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Meister said:
Karl said:
Meister said:
How are they out to screw you? [...]
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Again, I suspect feigned ignorance for this issue has surely been discussed a gazillion times... but for those that truly may not be able to figure it out on their own, if enough non-paying workers take union jobs then the union will lack the funds to sustain itself and die (or be voted into dissolution). At that point the union contract will be lost, and the remaining union workers (all the workers, actually) will likely see a reduction in wages and/or benefits.

It's just like paying income taxes... if a few people decide to just quit paying, even though they can afford to, and subsequently a sufficient number of others follow suit then government fails. Now while the conservatives probably like that scenario, sensible people know that things society depends on will fail too -- police, certain healthcare services, bridge/road repair, airline traffic control, banking controls, military, etc -- chaos.
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Oh, brother......I've had much better success and paid better in non union jobs. I just didn't like seeing lazy asses keep their jobs because of union protectIon.
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Non sequitur.
 
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