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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I did not quibble over the title of the article. I refuted the claim that publishing an employee's name and where they can be found is proof of "intimidation"
    Just what would be a justifiable reason to publish the names and area of employment of those who aren't in the unions?

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    No. The poor and unemployed aren't actively undermining their fellow workers.
    How are the "scabs" undermining their fellow workers? Are they taking money out of their pockets? Are they forcing them to work harder for their guaranteed raises? Are their benefits being reduced because of the "scabs"? The answer to each of these is no, but feel free to carry on with more ridiculousness, it's amusing to those of us capable of being able to think for ourselves.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    This union also tells people the names of their officers and where and when they can be found

    E-MAIL PAGE

    Obviously, they want union members to intimidate their officers
    This is a really poor comparison.

    These are names and locations of people listed as "officers" of the union, an inherently positive designation

    The scab list are names and locations of people listed as "scabs" to the union, an inherently negative designation

    Naturally one can assume there's a different reasonable expectation as to how people will react or use such information.

    One would not suggest that the reason a news paper would publish a list of known sex offenders in a neighborhood and why a news paper would publish a list of high school graduates must be for the exact same reason, or that the expectation is for the readers to use the information in the exact same way...so why are you trying to act like the reason for, and the expected reaction to, this information must be exactly the same?

    Similarly, was there any indication from the union that one should use that information to exert pressure upon the officers? Because the story preports that there was such a directive put forward regarding the scab list:

    "The following individuals are NON-dues paying workers. They have chosen to STOP paying Union Dues and still reap the rewards of your negotiated benefits,” the Tennessee “Scab Report” said. “If you work near one of these people listed please explain the importance of Solidarity and the power of collective bargaining.”
    Now, one could easily debate whether or not such pressure is "harassment"...but a reasonable argument could be made that it is as it's reasonable to suggest it would be "the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group" as it's reasonable to suggest that a person not wanting to be part of a union would find pressure to engage in "solidarity" with the union as "unwanted".

    So it's just entirely unreasonable to attempt to equally compare the information on the SCAB page to the information on the EMAIL US page as it relates to suggesting that the purposes, and the expected or likely responses, to said information.

    I think it would be incorrect to say posting the names on the SCAB page is inherently intimidating. However the claim in the story...that it makes intimidation and harassment EASIER...is absolutely accurate. And given the further encouragement by the union to continue to pressure people on the importance of the union, it's absolutely reasonable to say it at the very least is promoting harassment on the part of the union IF that pressure is unwanted.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Think Holder will appear? Not likely.
    Is there a strong African-American base in the Union?
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    They're VERY relevant given my 5 years in the CWA Trenton Local 1000.

    It's not confusing... I've yet to see you post to debate, your posts are to 100% further the far left perspective while ignoring facts. Well... 99%... the other 1% is attacking other posters.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by RedAkston View Post
    You do realize that those benefits don't come from the union, but from the employer right? [...]
    I can only suggest a remedial course in collective bargaining, which I feel is beyond the scope of this thread.

    This might get you started: Collective bargaining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Trenton?
    Yep - I used to work on White Horse Ave, and the main CWA offices at the time were in Trenton.
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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    Your unsubstantiated claims have nothing to do with the OP, but I think we can all see what's going on here -- one issue is being used as a vehicle to pile on other unrelated/unsubstantiated issues in order to make it (the OP) look worse than it is, and to attack unions in general.

    So, since it appears that none of the outraged are interested in a continued discussion of the event in the OP on its own merits I think we can assume it is not as grievous as they claimed.

    Further, if a union attack thread is desired then I would suggest one with that express purpose be created, outlining all these various points up front -- and with proper sourcing of the allegations.
    You seek to dismiss the tactic by restricting discussion to just this one use ignoring the fact that this is a general tactic used by unions since their inception. Name and shame, with more than a little violence thrown in is an old, old union tactic that precedes so many of the posters here.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    I was forced to scab by management to cover for a grocer's strike

    I blatantly busted the local carpenter unions when I was a construction boomer.

    I once had a welding job that ushered me into the union. That only lasted for six months.

    I sometimes fantasize about unionizing the WalMart employees.

    I don't have a dog in the hunt.

    That said, I would address the OP as supposition. As there have been no known evils perpetrated upon anyone on the scab list, this is much ado about nothing.
    That's usually how weak modern unions fall apart. It's the last dying vestige of the doomed. When high-rise builders dropped wages for carpenters in DFW, the union didn't even show up much less picket.

    I don't care much for open ended OPs that feign danger! danger! Especially when I know that nothing is going to happen to those people. The unions can't even get rid of illegal workers from the south, much less non-union workers in their own town.

    You can trap twice as many flies with honey.

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    Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    I can only suggest a remedial course in collective bargaining, which I feel is beyond the scope of this thread.

    This might get you started: Collective bargaining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    His point still stands.

    While the union may've been the impetus for the benefits by convincing/forcing the employer into providing them....ultimately it is still the employer providing those benefits.

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