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58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

Don't worry man, admitting you have a problem is the first step...I'm not saying that it is a bad thing to have emotions, but to rely on them for political answers never works out well for you libs...As you get older you'll realize that.

The strawman liberal in your head sure appreciates the advice.
 
This is a phenomenally stupid idea.


That WAS pretty much the point. Stopping all flights into the US is ALSO a phenomenally stupid idea. But as long as we're panicking, let's go all the way and shut down our economy for 21 days.
 
That WAS pretty much the point. Stopping all flights into the US is ALSO a phenomenally stupid idea. But as long as we're panicking, let's go all the way and shut down our economy for 21 days.

Ah, roger that. :bravo:
 
That WAS pretty much the point. Stopping all flights into the US is ALSO a phenomenally stupid idea. But as long as we're panicking, let's go all the way and shut down our economy for 21 days.

Not all flights, just those originating or connecting from the affected countries...
 
Not all flights, just those originating or connecting from the affected countries...

Pray tell, which flights are those?

Look it up.
 
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Stop talking about each other, and debate the topic.
 
Big deal. Duncan wasn't displaying symptoms until days after his plane trip.

And no one on his plane has contracted ebola either. That's the point of screening and a 21 day follow up. We have this... so it's time to move on I'm afraid. Don't be too disappointed.

New travel restrictions in place

All U.S.-bound passengers from Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea must land in one of the five U.S. airports with enhanced screening for Ebola: New York's John F. Kennedy International, Washington Dulles, New Jersey's Newark Liberty International, Chicago's O'Hare International and Hartsfield-Jackson International in Atlanta. More than 4,500 people have died from Ebola from those three West African countries.

Travelers from Ebola-affected countries to be monitored for 3 weeks

All travelers coming from Ebola-affected areas will be actively monitored for 21 days starting Monday, CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden announced in a telebriefing on Wednesday. Contact information including email, two phone numbers and a physical U.S. address will be gathered from all people coming to the United States from Liberia, Guinea or Sierra Leone, Frieden said.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/health/ebola-up-to-speed/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
 
Not all flights, just those originating or connecting from the affected countries...

So you can shut down those countries economy when they are struggling with ebola? We are on top of this in more ways than one. No one else is dying under our care and they are getting well in weeks. Plus there are 2 vaccines being tested right now. Ebola will never be a disease of developed nations sorry.
 
Yet you want a travel ban from the Govt. It is all so confusing to me.

Well you see things are "all or nothing" - the one thing the government MUST do as it states in the constitution is protect the United States and it's people. What's confusing you is your posts which compartmentalize in black and white, all or nothing. I'm happy that I don't 100% conform to your perception (whatever that is) of my views.
 
So you can shut down those countries economy when they are struggling with ebola?

Who gives a flaming crap about their economics? The safety of 300 Million Americans is a lot more important.
 
No one's calling for that. They want to stop all flights from African countries effected.

But, there are NO flights from the 3 countries to the US, neither non stop, or same plane service.
 
But, there are NO flights from the 3 countries to the US, neither non stop, or same plane service.

There are such things called "Connecting flights".

NYC welcomes their first Ebola case

NYT said:
Patient in New York City Tests Positive for Ebola


By MARC SANTORAOCT. 23, 2014

A doctor in New York City who recently returned from treating Ebola patients in Guinea tested positive for the Ebola virus Thursday, becoming the city’s first diagnosed case.

The doctor, Craig Spencer, was rushed to Bellevue Hospital on Thursday and placed in isolation while health care workers spread out across the city to trace anyone he might have come into contact with in recent days. A further test will be conducted by the federal Centers for Disease Control to confirm the initial test.

While officials have said they expected isolated cases of the disease to arrive in New York eventually, and had been preparing for this moment for months, the first case highlighted the challenges surrounding containment of the virus, especially in a crowded metropolis.

Even as the authorities worked to confirm that Mr. Spencer was infected with Ebola, it emerged that he traveled from Manhattan to Brooklyn on the subway on Wednesday night, when he went to a bowling alley and then took a taxi home.

The next morning, he reported having a temperature of 103 degrees, raising questions about his health while he was out in public.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/n...-bellevue-hospital-in-new-york-city.html?_r=0
 
Ignorance run a muck. Let's start with the fact that LaGuardia is a domestic airport. They aren't likely to deal with anything more contagious than a tick on a plant in the baggage of a flight from Colorado carrying Lyme disease.

Banning flights from Africa is also complete silliness. We inbound 150 persons per day from Africa

http://www.newsweek.com/state-depar...ne-would-only-create-35-permanent-jobs-228898

...many of them, including Mr. Duncan, do not enter the country on flights from Africa but connect in Europe.

People are starting to lose rationality. They are far more likely to be gunned down by a gunman in a movie theater or mall or die in a carjacking than die of ebola.

So, what is the cost of truth?

Another Leftie who is supremely confident that they are immune to Ebola..... Why?
 
Another Leftie who is supremely confident that they are immune to Ebola..... Why?

Lefty's don't fear science nor the boogeyman. Righty's ignore the real threats, because they fear science.

Ebola risk.jpg

Of course, we all have our irrational fears.... mine is sharks (I practically went into cardiac arrest when I encountered one off Tortola... even though I scared him as much as he scared me)... But Sharks are nearly 4 times the risk of Ebola.
 
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Not same planes, people connect.

Not worried about the NYC doctor, nor should anyone else be.

I don't think it is the actual fear of widespread outbreak that get's people worked up, as much as it is the arrogant dismissal succinctly portrayed in this post right here.
 
I don't think it is the actual fear of widespread outbreak that get's people worked up, as much as it is the arrogant dismissal succinctly portrayed in this post right here.

Tell you what, you can go and wave your arms and scream and yell and panic all you want.

I won't. We will see who wasted their time in 6 months.
 
Not same planes, people connect.
Thank you for admitting that West Africans are traveling to the US via connecting flights.

Not worried about the NYC doctor, nor should anyone else be.

I'm not worried about the Doctor either - he's getting good care. I'm worried about the West African's who are traveling here who are asymptomatic when they come through our airport and start to spread the disease to others in the US who have not traveled to West Africa. Those people are going to be asked: "Have you recently traveled to or from West Africa or had close contact with anyone who has?" and when they say no, they will be sent home and the disease starts to take hold in the US and spreads because many will mistake it for the flu and the flu season is just now starting.

But you're okay with that potential scenario happening because you're not worried. Ok.
 
Tell you what, you can go and wave your arms and scream and yell and panic all you want.

I won't. We will see who wasted their time in 6 months.

No one was saying that...But, you're attempt to just be aloof about it, as though you think you're better than those that are concerned is just plain foolish. That's my opinion.
 
No one was saying that...But, you're attempt to just be aloof about it, as though you think you're better than those that are concerned is just plain foolish. That's my opinion.

Not aloof, just logical
 
Lefty's don't fear science nor the boogeyman. Righty's ignore the real threats, because they fear science.

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Of course, we all have our irrational fears.... mine is sharks (I practically went into cardiac arrest when I encountered one off Tortola... even though I scared him as much as he scared me)... But Sharks are nearly 4 times the risk of Ebola.

Your argument assumes that the statistics of getting Ebola are static.

Epidemics are not static. The chance of getting Ebola does not act like the chance of getting heart disease or cancer, which changes only slowly over time.

the problem is those who are NOT concerned about Ebola do not understand the nature of Exponential Growth of Epidemics!


The current Ebola Epidemic in Western Africa Started in March of this year.

The WHO estimates that this upcoming month there will be 10,000 new cases with a 50% mortality rate.

Currently more than 5000 people have died.

In January of this year, there had not been any deaths, not ONE, in Africa for a number of years.

Timeline: Tracing the world's worst Ebola outbreak - Firstpost

March 22: Guinea confirms that a previously unidentified hemorrhagic fever, which killed over 50 people in its southeastern Forest

Region, is Ebola. One study traces the suspected original source to a 2-year-old boy in the town of Gueckedou. Cases are also

reported in the capital, Conakry.

Before this, the most recent deaths were in 2012.

Ebola virus disease - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On 17 August 2012, the Ministry of Health of the Democratic Republic of the Congo reported an outbreak of the Ebola-Bundibugyo

variant[123] in the eastern region.[124][125] Other than its discovery in 2007, this was the only time that this variant has been

identified as the ebolavirus responsible for an outbreak. The WHO revealed that the virus had sickened 57 people and claimed 29

lives. The probable cause of the outbreak was tainted bush meat hunted by local villagers around the towns of Isiro and Viadana.


This is the mathematical nature of Exponential Growth of Epidemics.

You cannot scientifically base your assessment of the threat based on the static number of people who currently have the disease in

your country, as a percentage of the total number of people, if you have have more than zero people infected.

Because just one case can grow exponentially, just as it did, this year alone, in Africa, to thousands, and likely millions, in less

than a year.

People quote two cases in America, compared to a 316 Million population, and dismiss the case as statistically insignificant.

You're looking at it all WRONG!

There were Zero, Zilch, Nada, None, No cases at all in Africa in January of 2014, and there hadn't been a case since 2012.

In a year, in Africa, it has gone from 1 case in March, to 10,000 new cases a WEEK in October.

That is exponential growth!

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In a year, in Africa, it has gone from 1 case in March, to 10,000 new cases a WEEK in October.

That's not correct. The latest Ebola Situation Report from the World Health Organization reported a cumulative total of 9,936 confirmed, probable, and suspected cases through October 19. The October 12-19 period saw 939 new confirmed, probable, or suspected cases.
 
That's not correct. The latest Ebola Situation Report from the World Health Organization reported a cumulative total of 9,936 confirmed, probable, and suspected cases through October 19. The October 12-19 period saw 939 new confirmed, probable, or suspected cases.

The CDC is projecting 10,000 new cases a week, which has been reported by the NYT and USA today.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/14/ebola-print-main-15/17267617/

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/15/world/africa/ebola-epidemic-who-west-africa.html?_r=0

Ebola could hit 10,000 cases per week in Africa; U.S. steps up response

William M. Welch and Rick Jervis, USA TODAY 7:26 p.m. EDT October 14, 2014

The Ebola epidemic in West Africa could reach 10,000 cases a week and U.S. health officials are promising dramatic response to any new domestic outbreaks that signal intercontinental spread of the deadly virus.

The Centers for Disease Control will send a rapid response team to any hospital in the nation that diagnoses another Ebola patient, director Tom Frieden said Tuesday.

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