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58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

We could try not losing our minds over a disease that kills fewer people than the flu.

As of this moment, yes. But the flu makes most people just feel really sick, and they get better. Ebola is generally a two-week death sentence.

1 becomes 2, which becomes 4, which becomes 8..........which becomes 512, which becomes 1,024.

And they all die.
 
Its becoming painfully clear that our system is not ready for this. The fact that first individual with Ebola in the US has infected a person assigned to treat them is proof positive. This should have never have happened and frankly, I hold the CDC responsible for this. They should have had their teams treating this guy, not normal hospital staff who had a brief on CDC guidelines.

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This part I agree with. I just don't think banning flights from certain countries will help.

What will help is sending lots of money and medical personnel to the affected areas.

But guess I've made my point way too much by now! sorry for boring people.
 
Not directly. LGA's runways are too short and aren't designed for the weight of your typical long range jet. Anything coming from overseas is probably landing at somewhere else in the US and pax more than likely being put on a different aircraft. With JFK and EWR both nearby I'm gonna guess that even that doesn't happen all that often.

Could people travelling internationally make their way through LGA? Sure. But there aren't gonna be many.

The protest strikes me as being more alarmist than thoughtful.

If they are on strike, that probably means they're union. Does that mean the union also thinks Obama is wrong in his handling of the Ebola crisis? I agree with the union.
 
We need to do nothing. Let ebola rage in the US. It will do us good.
 
Airport workers at La Guardia in NYC are going on strike over having to be around potential Ebola-carrying air passengers. This echoes the popular sentiment of a majority of Americans who want Obama to stop favoring his fellow Africans, and to start favoring the Americans who pay his salary.
Ebola scare: LaGuardia on strike, 58% of Americans want to ban flights from W. Africa ? RT USA

The 58% favoring a ban on flights from west Africa by NBC in your article also matches the exact figure Rasmussen came up with.

Americans Favor Temporary Flight Ban From Ebola-Affected Areas in Africa - Rasmussen Reports™

Now I wouldn't have used the words you used, I think the feelings of those who want a ban has nothing to do with race. It does seem you are trying to make race here an issue. The issue is a lot of Americans are plainly scared of Ebola and the majority of Americans do not think their government is doing enough to prevent it from reaching the United States. Nearly one fifth of all Americans are worried they will get Ebola.

One-Fifth of Americans Worry About Getting Ebola
 
Frieden sure looked & sounded a bit worried yesterday.

This seems like the kind of story that, a few months afterwards, assuming we get through it, you'll be reading stories about how close we really were to a disaster here in the USA.
 
This part I agree with. I just don't think banning flights from certain countries will help.

What will help is sending lots of money and medical personnel to the affected areas.

But guess I've made my point way too much by now! sorry for boring people.

Again, its not "banning all flights." Its shutting down normal passenger traffic from the affected area. Resource flights and essential personnel (particularly medical) would still be allowed transit with quarantine protocols established. This is very doable and at this point grossly negligent not to.

Do you really think its responsible to allow people to come and go freely from areas with a large amount of infected when the incubation period can be up to 3 weeks?
 
Frieden sure looked & sounded a bit worried yesterday.

This seems like the kind of story that, a few months afterwards, assuming we get through it, you'll be reading stories about how close we really were to a disaster here in the USA.

Good morning, bubba. :2wave:

I read on Yahoo this morning that another possible Ebola patient has turned up in Boston! :wow: That's a long way from Dallas! Since we all still have the freedom to travel freely, I suppose it was inevitable, but are we now going to read about possible Ebola patients all over the country on a daily basis, or will it be something that is not reported by the MSM, to "prevent panic?"
 
If they are on strike, that probably means they're union. Does that mean the union also thinks Obama is wrong in his handling of the Ebola crisis? I agree with the union.

Airline workers are generally unionized but these folks work for a contractor that was hired to clean planes and are not union. They are looking to unionize according to a local article on the strike.
 
Good morning, bubba. :2wave:

I read on Yahoo this morning that another possible Ebola patient has turned up in Boston! :wow: That's a long way from Dallas! Since we all still have the freedom to travel freely, I suppose it was inevitable, but are we now going to read about possible Ebola patients all over the country on a daily basis, or will it be something that is not reported by the MSM, to "prevent panic?"

The reasons the CDC have given for NOT blocking commercial flights from the Liberian area to the USA seem pretty weak.
Makes you wonder if they're not giving the actual reason because it would sound insanely out-of-balance politically to most of us.
 
This should have never have happened and frankly, I hold the CDC responsible for this. They should have had their teams treating this guy, not normal hospital staff who had a brief on CDC guidelines.

The CDC Director and Obama were both so sure that Ebola wasn't going to come into the United States, they just let things slide. Incompetence is standard with this administration.
 
The CDC Director and Obama were both so sure that Ebola wasn't going to come into the United States, they just let things slide. Incompetence is standard with this administration.

I'd have to see more to convince me that this is purely incompetence but would be par for the course. Have to wonder if Dr. Freidman was really the best qualified for the job. Resume is good, did run NYC's health department although question his judgment in certain priorities during his tenure.
 
Why not at least change the visa requirements?
 
actually, I've changed my mind after that nurse was stupid enough to travel after being near the patient in Dallas.

Let's shut down all travel in the US for 21 days. Train, plane, automobile. You can shop in your local region - let's say a 20 mile radius - but that's it. No one moves, no one comes in or out of the country or moves from state to state or city to city. Yeah, it will ruin our economy. But frack it, that seems to be what people want. Shut it all down.

Military transports carrying medical workers to West Africa can still go; but one way only. They can't come back.

You all want this? take it all the way.
 
We could try not losing our minds over a disease that kills fewer people than the flu.

HAHAHAH.

Do you know where you are?
Do you know what country we're talking about?

The Greatest Generation IMO was not great solely because of WWII. It was Great because they didn't buy into all of the hype, idiocy, partisanship and general ******* (it's just*) the current generations do.
 
The red herring of the "flu" that's been the top argument topic against travel bans is ludicrous. The flu doesn't have a 70% mortality rate. The flu has a vaccination that is available each and every year and is very effective. Comparing the two isn't even valid.

But the flu kills more people every flu season, is far more contagious, people refuse to take the vaccines (which fyi only cover a handful of the strains), and as an American, you are FAR more likely to die from than Ebola.

We are hyping a threat that has killed ONE person who received very poor medical care and ignoring something that kills thousands.
 
The CDC Director and Obama were both so sure that Ebola wasn't going to come into the United States, they just let things slide. Incompetence is standard with this administration.

Okay, let's see you give a reasonable alternative.

What's your estimate in cost to screen every passenger who may have had contact with someone who came from West Africa? How are you going to get Europeans to stop all commuter flights from Africa into Europe to prevent the exposure of passengers headed to the US? What's your estimated cost to provide sufficient man power and equipment to handle any cases of Ebola?

Thing is, people like you will criticize the opposite party regardless of what they do. If Obama had (magically) gotten Congress to approve the billions to do what was necessary, you'd be in arms over spending so much money on a few people. When he does nothing because the threat is actually quite small, you go off like this. Seriously, that kind of behavior is destroying America and it has to stop.
 
Ignorance run a muck. Let's start with the fact that LaGuardia is a domestic airport. They aren't likely to deal with anything more contagious than a tick on a plant in the baggage of a flight from Colorado carrying Lyme disease.

Banning flights from Africa is also complete silliness. We inbound 150 persons per day from Africa

http://www.newsweek.com/state-depar...ne-would-only-create-35-permanent-jobs-228898

...many of them, including Mr. Duncan, do not enter the country on flights from Africa but connect in Europe.

People are starting to lose rationality. They are far more likely to be gunned down by a gunman in a movie theater or mall or die in a carjacking than die of ebola.

So, what is the cost of truth?

Your truth is fiction.

The United Nations warned Tuesday that the world has less than 60 days to stem the deadly Ebola epidemic —

70 percent of all burials need to occur without contamination by that date, he said. “We need to do that within 60 days from Oct. 1. If we reach these targets, we can turn this epidemic around,” he said.

“If we fail at any of these, we fail entirely. With each passing day as more people are infected, the number of people infected grows exponentially.

Ebola infections outpacing health authorities’ efforts: UN official | New York Post
 
But the flu kills more people every flu season, is far more contagious, people refuse to take the vaccines (which fyi only cover a handful of the strains), and as an American, you are FAR more likely to die from than Ebola.

The flu doesn't have a 70% mortality rate. Ebola does.

I got my flu vaccination last week. You?

We are hyping a threat that has killed ONE person who received very poor medical care and ignoring something that kills thousands.

Hyping a threat? Then let those who travel from West Africa board at your abode.
 
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The flu doesn't have a 70% mortality rate. Ebola does.

True, but you're still ignoring that more Americans have died in the last flu season with healthcare than Africans have died from Ebola this epidemic. That point is ignored constantly.

I got my flu vaccination last week. You?

Nope. :) I also don't have lots of close contact with people.

Hyping a threat? Then let those who travel from West Africa board at your abode.

Given the transmission of flu vs ebola, flu is far easier to get.

The media is hyping this because it serves their ratings. The real thing we have to fear from this is fear. More people died in car accidents after 9/11 driving because they were afraid to fly. How much money are we going to waste treating people for Ebola who have the common flu?
 
But the flu kills more people every flu season, is far more contagious, people refuse to take the vaccines (which fyi only cover a handful of the strains), and as an American, you are FAR more likely to die from than Ebola.
Lots of things kill more people ... that's not the point. The point is we should be doing everything possible, including a temporary ban from hot spot countries, from entering the US. The flu is a red herring and the flu doesn't kill the same way, and the flu doesn't have a 70% mortality rate.

We are hyping a threat that has killed ONE person who received very poor medical care and ignoring something that kills thousands.
Hype is irrelevant. The government who controls travel in this country is not protecting it's people, is not providing protocols for caring for Ebola patients and is playing politics with peoples lives. Hospitals are not prepared for this because the US has not encountered this disease in this country - so I don't blame hospitals as this is all too new. We need nurses and doctors to be trained - that takes time.

Nurse At Texas Health Presbyterian Speaks About Ebola Crisis - Business Insider
 
I say we lock the world down for 21 days. no one travels more than 10 miles from home; if you are in a major metropolitan area, you can't leave it.

No planes. No trains. No busses. Minimal use of cars.

We'll get hungry. the economy will crash.

But if people are stupid enough to fly when they're on the ebola watch list, then oh well. Let's do it. Shut the world down.
 
Again, its not "banning all flights." Its shutting down normal passenger traffic from the affected area. Resource flights and essential personnel (particularly medical) would still be allowed transit with quarantine protocols established. This is very doable and at this point grossly negligent not to.

Do you really think its responsible to allow people to come and go freely from areas with a large amount of infected when the incubation period can be up to 3 weeks?

Hell No! I'm not kidding!
 
I say we lock the world down for 21 days. no one travels more than 10 miles from home; if you are in a major metropolitan area, you can't leave it.

No planes. No trains. No busses. Minimal use of cars.

We'll get hungry. the economy will crash.

But if people are stupid enough to fly when they're on the ebola watch list, then oh well. Let's do it. Shut the world down.

It's not stupidity, it's total selfcentered thinking, and there a lot of them out there! S**** them!
 
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