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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which means nothing because people can travel to any number of places in those 21 days, you can never control all of the people, nor can you control who they have had contact with. Banning passengers from Africa does nothing whatsoever to stop the spread of ebola.
    I agree. What WOULD help is continuing to pour money into medical services and supplies for those countries. I've read how some hospitals ran out of plastic gloves and other supplies, and they had just a couple doctors for a hundred people. We should have done more at the beginning, and it wouldn't be as bad now; but we need to step up and do it now. Unless we DO want ebola spreading around the world. We need to stop it at its source.

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig #11
    Forget Laguardia, it makes sense for Every USA/EU airport.

    What's the downside?
    There is virtually ZERO significant loss of Tourism or other Economic/Business interest.

    The need for the nationals of those tiny/crap-hole countries
    (Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea) to get here is ZERO compared to the risk.

    Only Aid workers should be able to transit on chartered flights with Special precautions.
    I see there were NO Takers for my post #11. Zero.
    Just some PC CLOWNS Dishonestly trying to field the easier ones.

    It's going to cost the West BILLION$, TEN'S of Billions MORE, for airport screening/Hospital-procedure/etc instead barring flights/passengers originating in those countries.

    Untold Angst and perhaps cut the whole World airline Industry's traffic, so a FEW passengers from the Crap-hole Infected countries can visit their relatives in Newark, NJ.
    WTF!
    (how did you LIAR'S vote in the PC Poll?)

    Flu season is starting and it's going to be Madness with Airport Screeners and Hospital staff's worried/HAVING to worry that every fever might about Ebola too.
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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Are you also going to ban people from flying if they don't have proof of flu shots? measles vaccinations? TDAP boosters? Those are more likely to kill you than ebola.
    Quit spewing hyperbole.

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    And he wasn't infectious UNTIL he showed symptoms. that's how Ebola works.

    Now flu - you can spread it before you know you have it. And it kills thousands a year. And many do NOT get the vaccine. And the vaccine doesn't help once you have it.

    If you want to forbid anyone from flying unless they have the flu vaccine, then ok, you might be consistent.
    The flu doesn't have a 70% mortality rate. The temperature taking at airports is a joke as with Duncan, he had symptoms days after he flew here. I'm very consistent in saying Ebola isn't the flu, it doesn't act like the flu and it doesn't kill like the flu. While the hot spots are small and manageable, we should stop people flying into the US from those countries temporarily - until the hot spots are under control. As I already said, the flu comparison is a red herring....
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...until you think (which too many are not) about the differences between the healthcare infrastructure of Western Africa vis a vis that of the US. People are losing rationality about this...
    You're forgetting that the first time Duncan went to the Hospital in Dallas, he was ignored by the medical staff and left.

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    And he wasn't infectious UNTIL he showed symptoms. that's how Ebola works.

    Now flu - you can spread it before you know you have it. And it kills thousands a year. And many do NOT get the vaccine. And the vaccine doesn't help once you have it.

    If you want to forbid anyone from flying unless they have the flu vaccine, then ok, you might be consistent.
    The Flu and Ebola are 2 different animals.

    There are remedies, vaccines and other treatments for the Flu. A large chance of survival.
    Zero of any of those for Ebola.

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    That does not surprise me. Again, just goes to show how uneducated our populace is.
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    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    The Flu and Ebola are 2 different animals.

    There are remedies, vaccines and other treatments for the Flu. A large chance of survival.
    Zero of any of those for Ebola.
    Check the death rates for flu. For whooping cough. For measles. While an individual case might not be as deadly, they kill a LOT more people than ebola ever has in this country (one, so far, for ebola)

    Yes, take reasonable precautions. But no, don't panic.

    And again, I'm all for financing a massive health intervention in places that have ebola cases right now. Absolutely.

    But grounding all planes won't resolve the situation.

    Oh, and by the way - people DO survive ebola; it doesn't kill 100% of the victims

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Check the death rates for flu. For whooping cough. For measles. While an individual case might not be as deadly, they kill a LOT more people than ebola ever has in this country (one, so far, for ebola)

    Yes, take reasonable precautions. But no, don't panic.

    And again, I'm all for financing a massive health intervention in places that have ebola cases right now. Absolutely.

    But grounding all planes won't resolve the situation.

    Oh, and by the way - people DO survive ebola; it doesn't kill 100% of the victims
    Yeah, it kills 90% and if you're "lucky" enough to survive, you're debilitated the rest of your life. I get this approach to comparing deaths from flu to ebola but it frankly disingenuous. Most have had the flu and survived with no complications except for being uncomfortable for a couple weeks, deaths from flu are generally reserved for the young, old and immune deficient. A perfectly healthy person infected with ebola will likely die. So again, a virus with a .008% mortality rate is incomparable to one with a 90% rate. Just apples and oranges.

    Its becoming painfully clear that our system is not ready for this. The fact that first individual with Ebola in the US has infected a person assigned to treat them is proof positive. This should have never have happened and frankly, I hold the CDC responsible for this. They should have had their teams treating this guy, not normal hospital staff who had a brief on CDC guidelines.

    And a travel ban does not mean all planes are grounded. In concerted effort, particularly with Europe, a system can be devised preventing all non-essential passenger traffic from the affected regions. This should have been implemented months ago. The longer we wait, the more difficult and ineffective it will be.

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Wait, the existence of disease is to be blamed on progressives?

    Who is currently in favor of not restricting travel from west Africa? Progressives. If travel from west Africa had been banned 3 months by progressive President Barack Obola, then there would be no cases of Ebola in the US. Now we have a nurse in Dallas who has the disease. More great progress from progressives!

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