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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Grounding every flight isn't a valid option. However, a temporary ban of people from the hot spot countries traveling into the US may be prudent. The taking of temperatures on flights is a total fail. Duncan, the Liberian man who died in Dallas didn't have symptoms until days after he traveled. Taking the temperature of people isn't going to do a thing unless the person traveling is already sick and showing symptoms. Keeping out people who may be carriers of Ebola from entering the US is the way to go. Government workers, military, aid workers who are sanctioned to travel to and from hot spot countries should be quarantined and tested before letting them back into society.

    The red herring of the "flu" that's been the top argument topic against travel bans is ludicrous. The flu doesn't have a 70% mortality rate. The flu has a vaccination that is available each and every year and is very effective. Comparing the two isn't even valid.
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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Too bad most people are stupid then. The only way to stop ebola is to stop flights from EVERYWHERE. People can easily travel from Africa to Europe to the U.S., or Africa to Asia to the U.S., or through a variety of other routes. It isn't just direct traffic from Africa that is potentially dangerous, virtually anyone who has been on a plane with anyone from Africa could be infected. You'd have to stop any and all international traffic to have even a chance of stopping ebola.

    It isn't going to happen and people need to get a grip.
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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by northwinds View Post
    That would be racisssss to ban Ebola infected people from flying in from West Africa and infecting U.S. citizens....... Better to let them in and use up our medical resources and not be considered racisssssss.......most White Americans would rather see their mother did than to have someone call them racisssssss......and blacks have figured that game out and play it to the hilt every day
    Thank you for your racist thoughts. Prior to this post, there was no mention of racism herein other than the OP trying to make a stupid point to the effect that Obama is more loyal to Africans than Americans. That notwithstanding, most of the rest of the adults on this thread have been able to discuss what America should do to defend itself from ebola.

    BTW... "racisssss" is an interesting spelling. I don't know if your particular spelling of that word means anything other than that you are very bad at spelling.

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Thank you for your racist thoughts. Prior to this post, there was no mention of racism herein other than the OP trying to make a stupid point to the effect that Obama is more loyal to Africans than Americans. That notwithstanding, most of the rest of the adults on this thread have been able to discuss what America should do to defend itself from ebola.

    BTW... "racisssss" is an interesting spelling. I don't know if your particular spelling of that word means anything other than that you are very bad at spelling.
    Not wanting your children to die of Ebola is now 'racist'........thanks for proving my point

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by northwinds View Post
    Not wanting your children to die of Ebola is now 'racist'........thanks for proving my point
    What is racist is your post. Until you posted your racist rant, the entire discussion was on the merits of blocking passengers from West Africa from entering the US without any discussion of race.

    Not wanting your children to die is rational. Worrying them dying from Ebola is irrational (see all previous cites on my earlier post). They are far more likely to die in a school shooting than die of ebola. Moreover, as previously pointed, stopping direct flights into the US will do almost nothing to change the threat level.

    Please, go find some research that shows us we should be concerned. All the research to date is contrary to that, making your position on this matter nothing less than irrational.

    You will need to have a point to be able to prove it.

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    What is racist is your post. Until you posted your racist rant, the entire discussion was on the merits of blocking passengers from West Africa from entering the US without any discussion of race.

    Not wanting your children to die is rational. Worrying them dying from Ebola is irrational (see all previous cites on my earlier post). They are far more likely to die in a school shooting than die of ebola. Moreover, as previously pointed, stopping direct flights into the US will do almost nothing to change the threat level.

    Please, go find some research that shows us we should be concerned. All the research to date is contrary to that, making your position on this matter nothing less than irrational.

    You will need to have a point to be able to prove it.
    People from West Africa are overwhelming black........but we can pretend that is not true if we would appear to be less racist I guess........

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Duncan, the Liberian man who died in Dallas didn't have symptoms until days after he traveled.

    The red herring of the "flu" that's been the top argument topic against travel bans is ludicrous. The flu doesn't have a 70% mortality rate. The flu has a vaccination that is available each and every year and is very effective. Comparing the two isn't even valid.

    And he wasn't infectious UNTIL he showed symptoms. that's how Ebola works.

    Now flu - you can spread it before you know you have it. And it kills thousands a year. And many do NOT get the vaccine. And the vaccine doesn't help once you have it.

    If you want to forbid anyone from flying unless they have the flu vaccine, then ok, you might be consistent.

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    I see nothing wrong with banning passengers whose trip originated from one of the African countries in question unless they are willing to go into quarantine for 21 days beforehand (at their expense).
    If people don't like it...tough.

    This virus can be transmitted even by sweat and the mortality rate is extremely high.

    I hate to say it, but when in doubt, a government should (IMO) air on the side of public safety of it's citizens rather then political correctness.

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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Ignorance run a muck. Let's start with the fact that LaGuardia is a domestic airport. They aren't likely to deal with anything more contagious than a tick on a plant in the baggage of a flight from Colorado carrying Lyme disease.

    Banning flights from Africa is also complete silliness. We inbound 150 persons per day from Africa

    http://www.newsweek.com/state-depart...t-jobs -228898

    ..many of them, including Mr. Duncan, do not enter the country on flights from Africa but connect in Europe.

    People are starting to lose rationality. They are far more likely to be gunned down by a gunman in a movie theater or mall or die in a carjacking than die of ebola.

    So, what is the cost of truth?
    About the flight that connected in Europe then came to America, it's still a "flight from Liberia." That is the origination country. So it wouldn't be allowed to connect with a flight coming to America.

    150 people a day is a lot of people. It makes sense to me to ban them for a while, since we have had Ebola just imported from there. Just like we might ban flights of fruit from China, if China had sent a shipment of deadly fruit. At least until we could be assured of better screening practices in Liberia.
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    re: 58% of Americans want to ban flights from West Africa[W:106]

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I see nothing wrong with banning passengers whose trip originated from one of the African countries in question unless they are willing to go into quarantine for 21 days beforehand (at their expense).
    If people don't like it...tough.

    This virus can be transmitted even by sweat and the mortality rate is extremely high.

    I hate to say it, but when in doubt, a government should (IMO) air on the side of public safety of it's citizens rather then political correctness.
    Which means nothing because people can travel to any number of places in those 21 days, you can never control all of the people, nor can you control who they have had contact with. Banning passengers from Africa does nothing whatsoever to stop the spread of ebola.
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